• Home
  • Latest
  • Fortune 500
  • Finance
  • Tech
  • Leadership
  • Lifestyle
  • Rankings
  • Multimedia
heroku

Salesforce Caught Between Two Software Worlds

Barb Darrow
By
Barb Darrow
Barb Darrow
Down Arrow Button Icon
Barb Darrow
By
Barb Darrow
Barb Darrow
Down Arrow Button Icon
May 11, 2016, 4:24 PM ET
Key Speakers At 2015 The Dreamforce Conference
Photograph by David Paul Morris—Bloomberg via Getty Images

Salesforce, like many software companies of a certain age, is navigating a tricky path in the fast-changing technology world. Companies that are more than a decade or two-old must constantly re-evaluate their technology suppliers to assess if they should keep what they have or switch.

For Salesforce (CRM), one critical question is whether it should stop relying on Oracle’s (ORCL) database technology to run its popular business software used by sales people and marketers to track deals. Oracle is the market leader in databases, but those databases are also pricey compared to other, newer products on the market.

Sources close to Salesforce say that Pat Helland, a former top Microsoft (MSFT) software architect who worked on Microsoft SQL Server database software and its Bing search engine, is now driving Salesforce’s effort to wean itself from Oracle. Helland’s effort, code-named “Project Sayonara,” may be the source of reports over the past few years that Salesforce was considering switching from Oracle to the PostgreSQL, an open-source and less expensive database.

A source with knowledge of the effort said a database change could give Salesforce flexible technology that could be more easily used across many data centers. That distributed architecture is a big selling point in an era where data privacy concerns in the European Union are forcing U.S. tech providers to put (and keep) customer data in the countries where it was collected. (i.e. not in U.S.-based data centers.)

While a move to another database would not necessarily preclude something like the 12-hour outage that hit Salesforce Tuesday, it could make deploying and managing data at multiple sites easier, sources said. Indeed one reason not to make a big tech move is fear of incurring service outages, so there is that to consider.

A Salesforce spokeswoman said the company does not comment on rumors. Oracle had no comment.

Of course, a move from one set of core technology like a database to another is fraught with challenges. The new deployment must be designed, built, tested, retested, and re-retested to assure a smooth transition.

That could take years. Helland joined Salesforce in 2012, according to his LinkedIn profile. One company source said he knows of no timeline for Project Sayonara while another said that the aforementioned data sovereignty issues in Europe have made it a priority.

There are other rationales for switching databases. Oracle now competes much more directly with Salesforce in business applications than it did when Salesforce was founded in 1999. After a late start, Oracle moved aggressively into subscription software and offers the same sort of packages for sales teams as Salesforce.

In the past five years, the trash talk between Oracle chairman and chief technology officer Larry Ellison and Salesforce chief executive Marc Benioff, a former Ellison lieutenant, has proven epic (and entertaining.)

But Salesforce has more to worry about than the important database choice. It also faces the public cloud issue. As mentioned, the company runs its bread-and-butter sales software and its Force.com software development tools on Oracle software in its own data centers.

This is cloud computing in the sense that Salesforce sells software on a subscription basis. Among techies, this is known as the Software as a Service, or SaaS, model, which Salesforce helped pioneer. At that time, SaaS was a huge departure for businesses that typically bought their software licenses outright and ran that software on their own servers and PCs.

But software-as-a-service is not exactly the epitome of modern cloud as exemplified by Amazon (AMZN) Web Services’ public cloud that lets software developers add and subtract resources from a massive pool of servers, storage and networking, as needed. Some at Salesforce think the company should make more use of public cloud services going forward.

It already has a foothold there. Five years ago Salesforce bought Heroku for $212 million. Heroku was (and is) used by many software developers at small companies to build and test software. And Heroku basically does the same sort of things that Salesforce’s own Force.com does, but it runs on AWS.

Get Data Sheet, Fortune’s daily newsletter on the business of technology.

The Heroku acquisition set up a sort of religious war between the Heroku/AWS camp and the dyed-in-the-wool Salesforce/Force.com camp. Last year, Salesforce tried to bridge those two camps with a sort of hybrid “App Cloud” unveiled in September, which it says lets developers use Heroku and Force services to build their applications. Customers shouldn’t need to know or care.

For more on Salesforce.com

A month later, Salesforce announced plans for its new Internet of things cloud. This product will aggregate data from Internet-connected devices like Google (GOOGL) Nest thermostats or Fitbits and it will run on Heroku, and thus on AWS. That may signal a shift of more of Salesforce’s businesses to the Heroku/AWS side of the house.

Salesforce App Cloud Tries to Meld Two Different Development Worlds

Whatever Salesforce ends up doing—and any company worth its salt has to evaluate all options. And that means, never say never.

Two years ago, tech news site Gigaom reported that Dropbox, which ran on AWS, was moving most of its workloads into its own data centers. Denials flew fast and furious, but a few months ago Dropbox announced that it had moved 90% of its work from AWS to its own data centers over the past three years.

At a certain point, companies may conclude that the advantages of swapping out old technology outweigh the difficulties mentioned above. A company like Dropbox, for example, which claims a half a billion users, decided it could innovate more efficiently if it brought more of its work onto into its own data centers.

That just proves that for companies that do their own analysis, what was once unthinkable in terms of a tech migration may not only become thinkable, but a done deal.

 

About the Author
Barb Darrow
By Barb Darrow
See full bioRight Arrow Button Icon

Latest in

Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025

Most Popular

Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Fortune Secondary Logo
Rankings
  • 100 Best Companies
  • Fortune 500
  • Global 500
  • Fortune 500 Europe
  • Most Powerful Women
  • World's Most Admired Companies
  • See All Rankings
  • Lists Calendar
Sections
  • Finance
  • Fortune Crypto
  • Features
  • Leadership
  • Health
  • Commentary
  • Success
  • Retail
  • Mpw
  • Tech
  • Lifestyle
  • CEO Initiative
  • Asia
  • Politics
  • Conferences
  • Europe
  • Newsletters
  • Personal Finance
  • Environment
  • Magazine
  • Education
Customer Support
  • Frequently Asked Questions
  • Customer Service Portal
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms Of Use
  • Single Issues For Purchase
  • International Print
Commercial Services
  • Advertising
  • Fortune Brand Studio
  • Fortune Analytics
  • Fortune Conferences
  • Business Development
  • Group Subscriptions
About Us
  • About Us
  • Press Center
  • Work At Fortune
  • Terms And Conditions
  • Site Map
  • About Us
  • Press Center
  • Work At Fortune
  • Terms And Conditions
  • Site Map
  • Facebook icon
  • Twitter icon
  • LinkedIn icon
  • Instagram icon
  • Pinterest icon

Latest in

Warren Buffett says markets are like a church with a casino attached, but ‘we’ve never had people in a more gambling mood than now’
InvestingWarren Buffett
Warren Buffett says markets are like a church with a casino attached, but ‘we’ve never had people in a more gambling mood than now’
By Jason MaMay 2, 2026
11 minutes ago
Interest on U.S. debt is becoming a top driver of future deficits, as the sheer size of past borrowing overwhelms the fiscal outlook 
EconomyDebt
Interest on U.S. debt is becoming a top driver of future deficits, as the sheer size of past borrowing overwhelms the fiscal outlook 
By Jason MaMay 2, 2026
2 hours ago
Jensen Huang says some CEOs have a ‘God complex’ when it comes to AI apocalypse warnings, which can create shortages of critical workers
AIchief executive officer (CEO)
Jensen Huang says some CEOs have a ‘God complex’ when it comes to AI apocalypse warnings, which can create shortages of critical workers
By Jason MaMay 2, 2026
5 hours ago
conway
North AmericaObituary
Gerry Conway, comics legend who created the Punisher, dies at 73
By Claire Rush and The Associated PressMay 2, 2026
6 hours ago
bard
C-SuiteJeffrey Epstein
Bard College president steps down, months after his deep ties to Jeffrey Epstein were revealed
By The Associated PressMay 2, 2026
6 hours ago
death
Environmentclimate change
Meet ‘Green Death’: the burial practices for activists worried about climate change and carbon footprint
By Dorany Pineda and The Associated PressMay 2, 2026
6 hours ago

Most Popular

Scott Bessent on financial literacy: 'it drives me crazy' to see young men in blue-collar construction jobs playing the lottery
Personal Finance
Scott Bessent on financial literacy: 'it drives me crazy' to see young men in blue-collar construction jobs playing the lottery
By Fatima Hussein and The Associated PressMay 1, 2026
1 day ago
A Chick-fil-A worker got fired and then showed up behind the register to allegedly refund himself over $80,000 in mac and cheese
Law
A Chick-fil-A worker got fired and then showed up behind the register to allegedly refund himself over $80,000 in mac and cheese
By Catherina GioinoMay 1, 2026
1 day ago
Current price of oil as of May 1, 2026
Personal Finance
Current price of oil as of May 1, 2026
By Joseph HostetlerMay 1, 2026
1 day ago
China dominates the world's lithium supply. The U.S. just found 328 years' worth in its own backyard
North America
China dominates the world's lithium supply. The U.S. just found 328 years' worth in its own backyard
By Jake AngeloApril 30, 2026
2 days ago
Apple cofounder Ronald Wayne—whose stake would be worth up to $400 billion had he not sold it in 1976—says that at 91, he has no regrets
Success
Apple cofounder Ronald Wayne—whose stake would be worth up to $400 billion had he not sold it in 1976—says that at 91, he has no regrets
By Preston ForeApril 27, 2026
5 days ago
Current price of gold as of May 1, 2026
Personal Finance
Current price of gold as of May 1, 2026
By Danny BakstMay 1, 2026
1 day ago

© 2026 Fortune Media IP Limited. All Rights Reserved. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy | CA Notice at Collection and Privacy Notice | Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information
FORTUNE is a trademark of Fortune Media IP Limited, registered in the U.S. and other countries. FORTUNE may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Offers may be subject to change without notice.