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Good morning, and welcome to Whirlpool Corporation's first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Today's

is being recorded. Joining me today are Mark Bitzer, our chairman and chief executive officer and Jim Peters, our Chief Financial and Administrative Officer. Our remarks today track with a presentation available on the Investors section of our website at whirlpoolcorp.com. Before we begin, I want to remind you that as we conduct this call, we will be making forward looking statements to assist you in better understanding Whirlpool Corporation's future expectations. Our actual results could differ materially from these statements due to many factors discussed in our latest 10 ks, 10 Q and other periodic reports.

We also want to remind you that today's presentation includes the non GAAP measures outlined in further detail at the beginning of our earnings presentation. We believe that these measures are important indicators of our operations as they exclude items that may not be indicative of our results from ongoing business operations. We also think the adjusted measures will provide you with a better baseline for analyzing trends in our ongoing business operations. Listeners are directed to the supplemental information package posted on the Investor Relations section of our website for the reconciliation of non GAAP items to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode.

Following our prepared remarks, the call will be open for analyst questions. As a reminder, we ask that participants ask no more than two questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Marc.

Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. During the first quarter, we delivered a solid performance, and we're pleased with our progress to date. With a 2% organic growth and almost 6% EBIT margins, our business is largely on track despite a macro environment that became more challenging. We are also reiterating our annual guidance and just reconfirmed our dividend in line with past payouts. The tariffs represent in the short term a manageable headwind, largely in the form of higher component costs and the market preloading by Asian competitors.

Asian appliance producers significantly increased imports into The U. S. Ahead of tariffs in the first quarter and fourth quarter, essentially loading The U. S. Industry.

This market disruption will likely continue into Q2 as competitors attempt to sell through their inventory. However, once we already announce tariffs fully kick in, this will turn into a significant tailwind for Whirlpool as a domestic producer. No matter how you look at it, Whirlpool with its 10 large U. S. Factories is a net winner of a new tariff policy.

With our strong domestic footprint, produce 80% of our domestic sales in The U. S. No competitors even close to that level of domestic production. As we will explain to you later, the newly announced tariffs are critical in closing pre existing loophole that gave our Asian competitors an unfair advantage over U. S.

Domestic production. But tariffs will finally help create a level playing field for Whirlpool. Irrespective of macro environment, we remain focused on the things we control. We successfully implemented pricing actions and structurally drove costs out of our business. Even more important, we are excited about the initial market response to the huge wave of new products we're introducing this year, all of which is expected to expand ongoing EBIT margins in the second half of twenty twenty five.

Turning to Slide six, I will provide an overview of our first quarter results. We achieved 2% organic net sales growth, which, as a reminder, excludes the impact of currency and the Europe transaction, driven by strong momentum in our SDA Global and MDA Asia businesses. Global EBIT margins expanded 160 basis points year over year, driven by previously announced pricing actions in MDA North America and MDA Latin America, along with continued cost takeouts. We also experienced approximately €17,000,000 unfavorable impact from our minority stake in Becker Europe BV, which was offset by an interest rate swap benefit of approximately $30,000,000 We delivered approximately $200,000,000 free cash flow improvement versus prior year, driven by the Europe transaction, as expected. Ultimately, we delivered ongoing earnings per share of $1.7 and maintained our dividend of $1.75 for both Q1 and Q2.

As mentioned before, we expect similar market dynamics in the second quarter as we experienced in the first quarter with Asian competitors preloading ahead of tariffs and working through their elevated inventories. Our inventories within the trade, on the other hand, are at healthy levels, and we're fully focused on executing the already announced price increases. With the full effect of tariffs coming into place in July, we expect a more stable competitive landscape in the second half, an environment in which we can leverage our U. S. Domestic production to its fullest extent.

This will put us on track to accomplish our full year ongoing margin guidance. Turning to Slide seven, I will provide an overview of our first quarter ongoing EBIT margin drivers. Pricemix favorably impacted margin by 50 basis points, driven by our successful pricing actions in MDA North America and MDA Latin America. Our cost takeout actions delivered 100 basis points year over year, led by our continued manufacturing and supply chain efficiencies and our organizational simplification actions. Raw materials were essentially flat, as expected.

Marketing and technology had an unfavorable 25 basis point impact as we continue to invest in our products and brands. In the first quarter, the Brazilian real depreciated approximately 20% compared to prior year, resulting in an unfavorable margin impact of 50 basis points. The European transaction positively impacted the first quarter by 75 basis points. We are pleased to have expanded margins year over year by 160 basis points despite the challenging market dynamics which I explained earlier. And now I will turn it over to Jim to review first quarter segment results.

Thanks, Marc. Good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide eight, I'll review the first quarter results for our MDA North America business. Business. Net sales were flat year over year as we experienced a continued challenging macro environment in The U.

S. Consumer confidence declined sharply throughout the first quarter as a result of economic uncertainty from anticipated tariffs. In addition, consistent with the fourth quarter, we saw inventory loading of Asian imports by foreign competitors into The US industry ahead of tariffs. Despite these challenges, MDA North America delivered an EBIT margin of 6.2% driven by pricing actions and cost takeout. As a reminder, we expect to turn over more than 30% of our product portfolio in MDA North America this year, our largest transition in over a decade.

We have already seen a very positive trade response to the new product innovations we are launching in 2025. I will share more about these exciting new product launches shortly. We are confident that our actions position us well to achieve continued margin expansion as our industry environment stabilizes following the finalization of new trade policies. Turning to slide nine, I'll review the results for our MDA Latin America business. In the first quarter, MDA Latin America had net sales growth of 2% year over year, excluding currency, driven by successfully implemented pricing actions.

The segment delivered a solid EBIT margin of 6.6% in the quarter. Excluding an operational tax benefit of approximately 200 basis points in the prior year, EBIT margin expanded approximately 80 basis points year over year driven by favorable pricemix. Turning to slide 10. I'll review the strong results for our MDA Asia business. In the first quarter, MDA Asia realized net sales growth of 16% year over year excluding currency, driven by strong volumes from share gains and industry growth.

The segment delivered a 7% EBIT margin in the quarter with two forty basis points year over year of margin expansion from cost takeout and fixed cost leverage. Overall, we are very pleased with the first quarter results delivered by the MDA Asia team. Turning to slide 11, I'll review the results of our SDA global business. The segment achieved significant net sales growth of 10% year over year excluding currency with strong direct to consumer sales in the quarter. We continue to see momentum from our recent product launches in high growth potential categories such as our semi and fully automatic espresso machines.

Overall, the segment delivered a very strong EBIT margin of 18.5% in the quarter driven by favorable price mix. As a reminder, the first quarter accounts for less than 20% of their annual revenues and EBIT margin can be heavily impacted by the timing of marketing spend. We expect the first half EBIT margin to be in line with full year guidance. Now I'll turn the call over to Marc to provide an overview of the tariff landscape and our mitigating actions.

Thanks, Jim. Turning to Slide 13, we have provided an overview of a current tariff landscape of U. S. Imports. While we want to ensure we give you context for how tariffs impact our business, I need to highlight that the trade landscape is very fluid and additional trade policy actions could result in materially different outcomes.

In the table below, you can see a summary of relevant existing tariffs before 2025 and the newly announced tariffs in 2025. Both Section two thirty two and three zero one were originally implemented in 2018, with various modifications and exclusions added, particular over the past few years. More recently, in 2025, Section two thirty two exclusions were removed and additional changes were implemented under Bacanca Mexico and reciprocal IEEPA. The IEEPA tariffs have notably increased the tariff impact from China goods brought into The U. S.

As well as implemented a broad U. S. Import reciprocal tariff of 10% across most countries. Turning to Slide 14, we discuss how the evolution of a trade landscape has impacted Wopold as a major domestic producer. Pre existing loopholes in the Section two thirty two and three zero one tariffs have in the past created a disadvantage for us as a domestic producer.

It is important to note that these unfair cost disadvantages are not new to us and they were fully reflected in our baseline. Put it differently, we have been performing reasonably well despite these unfair disadvantages. The new trade policies are finally putting an end to these disadvantages and will level the playing field. Let me first explain what created the existing loopholes for Asian producers. With the February and 3 0 1 tariffs in place, we, as a domestic producer, buy U.

S.-made steels, which is 2x to 3x more expensive than Chinese steel. In addition, we have to pay tariffs on Chinese made components for which we do not have a U. S. Supply base. Asian producers, on the other hand, are using cheap Chinese steel and components and do not have to pay a tariff when they bring their finished products into The U.

S. As you will see later, this amounts to an approximately $70 per unit disadvantage for our business. In addition, some Asian producers have circumvented existing Section three zero one tariffs by setting up assembly operations in Asian countries outside of China. Let me reiterate that while we have faced these negative impacts since 2020, we have been able to manage the impact to our business through pricing and cost takeout. What happened over the last two quarters, to some extent, amplified the negative impacts from the past.

Following the U. S. Presidential election and the threat of additional tariffs, Asian producers have increased imports by over 30% year over year in the fourth quarter and February year to date this year, essentially loading The U. S. Industry.

In addition, some retaliatory tariffs have begun to negatively impact our business. Looking forward, some of these negative effects continue to impact our business, but more importantly, the current administration's trade policies will structurally benefit domestic producers. We expect the new reciprocal tariffs to level the playing field for U. S. Appliance manufacturers, and additional U.

S. Trade policy actions will close loopholes and eliminate disadvantages we currently face. On Slide 15, I will review an illustrative example to provide details on the existing disadvantaged U. S. Made products.

This example demonstrates how an identical product is faced with very different component costs depending on where it is being produced. It is important to note that steel is the most critical component in any appliance. Typically, steel amounts to about half the weight of an appliance, or in the case of a washer, adds up to 100 pounds of steel. So when we produce a washing machine in The U. S, we use domestic steel, which is about two to three times more expensive than Chinese steel, which is used all over Asia.

When the Asian producer imports the same washer into The U. S, they do not have to pay any tariffs on steel. The same is true for components like LED panels or certain motors, which we cannot procure domestically. While we have to pay a tariff on these components, any Asian producer using the same components in their production will not have to pay tariffs. Putting both of these loopholes together, this has in the past led to an approximately $70 per unit disadvantage for domestically produced appliances compared to identical products manufactured in Asia and imported into U.

S. Typically, a $70 product cost disadvantage after adding some additional overhead costs and trade margins will lead to 150 retail price difference. Needless to say that this unfair disadvantage in the past put pressure on our market share and production volumes in our U. S. Factories.

While we have been operating successfully in the past despite this unfair disadvantage, this example illustrates how much potential our U. S. Business has if these loopholes are finally closed. Turning to Slide 16, let me review the tariff mitigation actions we have underway. First, we have taken steps to address the current environment through previously announced pricing actions.

In addition, we announced a combination of list price and promotional price increases in order to cope with a higher component cost. We are also taking additional cost actions to mitigate input cost increases. Secondly, we're evaluating our supply base and manufacturing footprint and are reducing our Asian exposure. This is limited as we have by far the largest U. S.-based footprint, with 80% of what we sell in The U.

S. Produced in The U. S. Compared to the industry average, excluding Whirlpool, which is only approximately 25% U. S.

Produced. Thirdly, we are proactively monitoring the evolving landscape and continue to provide insights to policymakers on tariff exemptions or circumventions that risk U. S. Manufacturing. With today's review of how the different tariffs impact our business, we've provided much more detail than we typically would do.

However, we felt it is important to highlight what I mentioned upfront. No matter how you look at the new tariff landscape, Vopul, with its strong U. S. Production base, is a net winner more than anyone else in our industry. And now I will turn it over to Jim to review our unchanged 2025 guidance and capital allocation priorities.

Thanks, Marc. Turning to slide 18, I will review our guidance for 2025. As Marc highlighted, there is notable uncertainty in the overall macro environment. However, we are confident in our ability to manage what is within our control and deliver our 2025 guidance, which is unchanged. As a reminder, we have provided a reset baseline for 2024 results excluding both the European major domestic appliance business from q one twenty twenty four and India's July through December 2024 consolidated results from the anticipated Whirlpool of India transaction.

The reset baseline excludes approximately $1,200,000,000 in net sales and an approximately $6,000,000 reduction in EBIT, creating a like for like comparison for 2025 guidance. On a like for like basis, 2024 net sales were approximately $15,400,000,000 with an ongoing EBIT margin of approximately 5.8. We expect organic growth of approximately 3% to $15,800,000,000 in net sales in 2025, driven by our strong pipeline of new products. On a like for like basis, we expect a 100 basis point ongoing EBIT margin expansion and margins to be approximately 6.8%. Free cash flow is expected to deliver 500,000,000 to $600,000,000 As a reminder, the adjusted effective tax rate is expected to be 20% to 25%, which is an increase compared to 2024 and impacts 2025 ongoing earnings per share by approximately $7 We expect full year ongoing earnings per share of approximately $10 Turning to slide 19, you will see our overall margin guidance is unchanged.

However, we have included a separate summary of the tariff impacts that we expect to fully mitigate. We expect approximately two fifty basis points impact from the incremental tariff changes net of immediate mitigation actions. It is important to note these impacts represent currently announced tariffs and do not factor in any future or potential changes in trade policy. We expect to offset these impacts through the cost based pricing actions announced in April and by continuing to implement supply sourcing changes summarized previously. Turning to slide 20.

I will review our unchanged capital allocation priorities. Funding our organic growth is critical to delivering innovative products that meet our consumers' needs. We are very excited about the new products we are launching this year. Secondly, we are committed to reducing debt levels. We expect to pay down $700,000,000 of debt in 2025, taking a significant step toward our two times net debt leverage target.

Lastly, we are committed to returning cash to shareholders by funding a healthy dividend. This year marks the seventieth year of steady or increasing dividends. We are confident our business is well positioned for continued growth and margin expansion in the second half supported by our exciting new products. As Mark mentioned, we are also confident that in the new tariff landscape, Whirlpool will be a net winner. As a reminder, the dividend is approved quarterly by the board of directors.

Turning to slide 21. We have clear actions to address the upcoming debt maturities. $1,850,000,000 of debt is maturing this year, of which $350,000,000 is a senior note due in May, and $1,500,000,000 is the remaining term loan from the InSynchronator acquisition due in October. We expect to refinance the remaining 1.1 to $1,200,000,000 after the meaningful debt repayment of approximately $700,000,000 expected in 2025. The cash generation from the anticipated India transaction, which has generated significant interest from large third party investors, is expected in the second half of twenty twenty five.

On slide 22, you will see we have ample space in our flexible debt ladder to optimize our refinancing plans. Over 30% of our debt matures beyond 2030 with many open windows that provide optionality for our debt maturities. Our targeted refinancing will be both a five year and ten year maturity time frame, which lines up well with our debt ladder openings. On slide 23, let me review how we are well positioned for growth from our new product launches. Our organic growth of approximately 3% this year will be fueled by our new products.

As previously mentioned, we have a very strong lineup of launches this year with MDA North America transitioning over 30% of its products. A few highlights of our products launching this quarter include the KitchenAid induction cooktop. This cooktop is created to empower users with a sleek, frameless design, featuring an innovative white clean coating that is easy to clean and convenient temp cook preset for precise and consistent cooking. Our new JennAir built in wall oven features a vertical dual convection fan to distribute heat evenly and fast throughout the cavity for perfect results. A simplified graphic interface puts a digital sous chef in your kitchen that takes you from prep to plate with an intuitive cooking experience.

In Latin America, our new bras tempe freestanding range is integrated with our AirFryer Pro for unmatched versatility, also offering advanced features like a smart timer and auto shutdown for safety and peace of mind. Finally, our new KitchenAid blender offers powerful blades and variable speeds, which allow for precise control over texture and consistency to make a wide range of meals. The versatile jar takes on hot and cold ingredients to effortlessly transform more. The lid features a heat release vent for splatter prevention and can blend a variety of food types for drinks, sauces, soups, and batters. All of this in a beautiful design and with the kind of durability the KitchenAid brand is known for.

These products are just a few examples of how we continue to bring new innovative products to our consumers' homes. To further highlight the excitement around our new products, slide 24 showcases a few snapshots from our recent booth at the kitchen and bath industry show, also known as KBIS. KBIS is North America's largest trade show dedicated to all aspects of kitchen and bath design. At the show, we created a significant amount of excitement from designers, trade customers, media, and consumers. Our booth was meticulously crafted for each of our unique brands, Whirlpool, Maytag, KitchenAid, and JennAir.

Our successful booth showcased our commitment to innovations that improve life at home for our consumers. As you will see on slide 25, we won an impressive seven awards at K Biz. The upcoming KitchenAid launch, which is the first full product redesign in a decade, made a notable splash at the show. We introduced curated relevant colors and finishes designed for personalization. We demonstrated the customizable possibilities enabling you to choose knob and handle combinations that suit your style.

We also introduced new innovative features such as an intelligent autofill in our refrigerators, giving you the ultimate hands free set it and forget it experience, filling your water. The oven also features a built in camera that lets you stay one step ahead of your cooking at all times, all of which received impressive feedback. The innovative downdraft induction cooktops from JennAir demonstrated powerful and effective extraction. The downdraft system draws vapors downward faster than cooking vapors rise, preventing steam, grease, and odors from spreading in the kitchen. It also provides unobstructed views, leaving your kitchen space available for indefinite open concept design opportunities.

This product won multiple awards and made a lasting impression. Turning to slide 26. Let me review what you heard today. I'm proud of what the team has accomplished in this volatile and uncertain macro environment, remaining agile and focused on our operational priorities. We achieved organic growth and margin expansion in the first quarter despite what has been an unfavorable environment.

As you heard from Mark earlier in the call, we have been faced with a cost disadvantage in North America for our predominantly US based production for some time. While we recognize trade policies continue to evolve, we believe they will eliminate this unfair disadvantage in support of American manufacturing. We remain well positioned to capitalize on the eventual housing market recovery in The US. North America is poised for success through our exciting strong pipeline of new products while implementing measures to mitigate tariff impacts. Our Asia business continues to be a bright spot, delivering strong top line growth and substantial margin expansion.

Our Latin America business continues to deliver with successfully implemented pricing actions to address unfavorable currency headwinds, and we expect our global SDA business to continue to accelerate growth from new products and deliver strong EBIT margins. As a result, we are reiterating our full year guidance. As I mentioned, our capital allocation strategy remains clear with a focus on organic growth, debt reduction, and paying our strong dividend in 2025. Overall, I am confident that we have the right operational priorities in place to deliver on our goals while monitoring the evolving macro environment and positioning our business for success. Now we will end our formal remarks and open it up for questions.

Your first question comes from the line of Laura Champine from Loop Capital. Your line is open.

Thanks for taking my question this morning. And I appreciate the granularity in your presentation about the impact of tariffs. If tariffs currently fall from or fall from their current stated rate in China, which I think adds up to 145% down to let's call it 10 or 20%, how much would that potentially impact your outlook?

Yes. So Laura, good morning. It's Marc. So obviously, as we all probably do acknowledge, right now speculating about what happens in China is pure speculation. I mean, it's I think we would all agree, maybe 145,000,000 may not happen.

I can't imagine if the administration goes all the way back to basically no tariffs of China or very little. So probably going to be somewhere in between. But the reality or maybe to answer it slightly different. Even a 20% changes commercial behaviors, and we see that already happening in the marketplace. But 20%, frankly, will not move factories.

So if the stated intention of the administration is to move factories, they know it all. The administration is well aware of, it needs more than 20% to really start moving factories. Now moving beyond this one, as you also know, it's not just China. We're talking about basically Southeast Asia, which all benefits from cheap Chinese steel. Also here, it's kind of I think the government, the administration knows very well is you can't close the front door to China and leave the entire back door open.

And I think the odds that all tariffs basically go back to pre Rose Garden ceremony and I would consider very low.

Got it. And you call out in the press release impacts from Asian competitors' preshipping appliances to try to get ahead of tariffs. Is the impact on your business from that cooked? Or will we continue to see an impact in Q2 and Q3?

So Laura, just to put in perspective, we all know Q4 and Q1, the industry, The U. S. Industry was approximately flat. The imports from Asian producer, again, not just China, all Asian producers in Q4 was up 30% and January, February also to the same level, up 30%. We don't yet have the March data.

So obviously, that certainly meets any definition of preloading into the marketplace. And I would say, obviously, with any pauses, that preloading will continue even, I would say, it's been a larger grain. So right now, we assume there's a fairly sizable amount of inventory in the country, maybe not all the trade. And of course, that brings some market disruption, maybe not entirely surprising. We managed for that in Q1, and we right now expect similar market dynamics in Q2.

But as we demonstrate in Q1, I think we can manage it. It's not easy, but we can manage it. But again, more important thing is once the tariffs fully kick in and they bite, I think you will see quite a bit of a change in the market dynamics.

Your next question comes from the line of Sam Darkash from Raymond James. Your line is open.

Good morning, Mark. Good morning, Jim. How are you?

Couple of questions here. First off, you noted that you're going to be looking to get some additional price in April. Can you help quantify that and maybe put a little bit of color on that in terms of how much of that is going to be specific to microwave ovens versus the broad line?

Sam, it's Marc. So as you highlighted, we had in April another price increase. Again, that comes on top of a number of price increases over the last twelve months. Basically, what we communicated, the price increases are largely referring to the component cost impact, which we experienced and which we passed on. There's we're not going to give out the details about product group by product group, but it's largely meant to cover the component cost impact, I think, on microbes, etcetera.

We may also have some supply chain solutions over time. So let's see how that all plays out. But put it all together because, again, you have now multiple actions on pricing, which impact promotional depth, which impact what we call the MAP, the minimum advertised prices, in some cases, these prices. Put that all together, I think that gives us not only confidence on the 0.75% price, which we have right now in the margin ladder year over year, but you also know it we have it in the tariff offset action with two points. A big part of that is pricing.

So put that both together, I think you will see a full year perspective, which is, on a pure pricing side, well north of one, probably getting closer to two points up.

And then my second question, if I could. Noted last quarter sell through was healthy. I think sell through in the first quarter you've been indicating that it's been similarly improved. How much based on your market intelligence are you seeing with respect to consumer pull forward, not necessarily from retailers trying to beat tariffs, but consumers perhaps accelerating their purchase decision ahead of tariffs?

Yes. I mean, me maybe split it in two pieces of your answer. First of all, let's completely backing off. As you very well know, we have I mean, our demand is roughly replacement and discretionary. Right now, pure replacement probably in Q1 went up to 65%.

We don't have final data. So it's a very, very significant portion of the market. Now it's good because it's strong. It's good. It gives you a good baseload.

Where we felt softness, in particular, as the quarter progressed was from the discretionary side of demand. That is also here not surprising because that's newly tied to consumer confidence. And as we all have seen, consumer confidence, was taking a significantly hit kind of coming February, March. So the discretionary side of the demand is weak, has been weak, as we all know, for the last two years. And the exit rate of consumer confidence and discretionary demand end of Q1 was soft.

Similar things probably will happen in Q2. So we're not that's why we said earlier, market dynamics remain the same. In terms of a specific your question about consumer preloading, frankly, I know there have been some retail advertising along these lines. I would say it's fairly limited. It's fairly limited.

We may see something coming closer towards late June, if a real magnitude of the tariffs kick in. But so far, it's been somewhat limited.

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut from JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good morning everyone and thanks for taking my questions. Good morning Michael. I also appreciate all the detail on the tariffs. But I want to delve in a little bit more and just make sure we're thinking about it correctly.

Going to Slide 15, where you kind of break out the differences in your costs versus your Asian competitors. Is the upshot of this slide that due to the tariffs, essentially your competitors would be paying that additional $70 that you're currently paying? Or I would have thought perhaps that given the greater amounts of overseas production on top of maybe just steel, there'd be a significantly higher tariff headwind for those Asian producers. So I was wondering if you could kind of go into that a little bit. And certainly, you've done extensive analysis on your top competitors.

And of course, I'm thinking of your two major South Korean Asian competitors. If you could kind of walk through perhaps when you think about The U. S. Product that they sell, what percent is produced overseas? And why wouldn't we be thinking of a much higher tariff per unit per se than the $70 that right now you estimate you're at a disadvantage at?

So Mike, obviously that question deserves a little bit of long answer. First of all, I want to upfront clarify also, we this time, we spent an unusual amount explaining the details of the tariffs and all the impacts. Don't expect that going forward. We should also talk about our business results. But anyhow, so we just felt it's appropriate, given that it's a lot of discussion.

First of all, the lay of the land in terms of production. We produce 80% of what we sell in The U. S. Of what we produce in The U. S, the vast majority is done with domestic components.

So 98% of our steel which we source is sourced in The U. S, the same is true. So we are, by any definition, a U. S. Producer for The U.

S. Market. The rest of the industry, if you take Vopul out of equation, is only about 25% domestic production. And even while I'm not going to lay it out, of course, we assume that we have for every competitor a very detailed understanding where we produce. But it's the rest of the industry is basically we want to simplify it.

The rest of the industry is an importer largely. We are a local producer. That's the simple layover there. Now to that chart, and again, I want to reemphasize, that is a preexisting tariff loophole. We've been of course, we knew about this for a long time.

It's basically sitting in our baseline, largely in the form of, yes, it put pressure on our market share because we couldn't fill our factories. But it's a structural disadvantage which comes from steel. And again, I want to reemphasize, half of a product weight is steel. It's massive. On some products and dishwashers, it's even more so.

Of course, if we can't buy cheap Chinese steel and everybody else can, that makes a big difference. If we have to pay on component costs like LED panels, which we can't source in The U. S, etcetera, if we have high tariffs, I mean, you guys don't have to pay tariffs. It makes a difference. So it's massive.

So again, it's a preexisting loopholes. The new administration has already taken some steps in trying to close that. And I think the administration is well aware of our concerns, and they're listening. I give them a lot of credit for that. I think there are multiple tools the administration has at their hand to close that loophole.

Reciprocal tariffs might be one, but there could be also two. So let's see what's happening. But, of course, I think we just want to show this picture also. We're not asking for subsidies, gifts, or handouts. We're just asking that the loopholes are being closed.

And I think there's a I think we have a high degree of confidence that the new administration will close these loopholes.

Yeah. And Mike, just to say, and you kind of asked why would the impact not necessarily be higher or whatever. I think as Mark said, depending on what the go forward tariff structure is, it could close this gap and then some. But again, we don't have a definitive answer on that. But what we're highlighting is that we do expect that at a minimum this gap will be closed.

And then what comes on top of that depending on how the tariffs are structured and all that could create more incentive to produce in The U. S. And give us an opportunity to, again, as Mark said, increase the volumes within our factories.

Right. No, I appreciate that. Thank you. I guess second question just looking at that $2.50 tariff cost headwind that you expect to offset this year through price and cost. Is it if it would be possible to kind of break down roughly what you expect to do from price versus cost?

I think you said, Mark, if I heard you right, maybe another 100 to 200 basis points all in, that's a bit of a wide range. But any type of breakdown there? And also if the tariff headwinds maybe aren't coming in, maybe from a timing perspective until July, you have the price increase effective in April. I'm just wondering if there might be an additional kind of tailwind from a timing perspective, if I'm thinking about that right.

So Michael, and again, I'm you're referring to this Page 19 where we show the tariff impact 2.5 points, and the actions also 2.5 points. First of all, and I appreciate many of you already want to see more detail behind how it's coming together. First of all, I want to clarify, the negative side of tariff impacts is building already. So it's not like versus July and then all a sudden you see it because, of course, we see already changes in the 2.32%. That's already impacting us.

The base tariffs were 10%, but 20%, they're already impacting us. So the impact is already there. But of course, it's going to be, based on today's assumptions, significantly higher in the backside or back half of the year. The other factor which you need to take into account, and that's why we don't want to get into much detail, of course, we also make sure we have component inventories at our hands. And I think you would appreciate that we can't get into detail how much component we have on each one.

So we took certain measures also to buffer the impact to some extent. So that's kind of it. That's why it's a mixed picture here. On the actions and more on your question on the pricing side, again, you need to take two things together. One is the 0.75 points of pricing, which we already have in our plans.

And of the additional actions, I would say probably more than half or almost two thirds of that will come from pricing. But there are additional cost actions, and there's additional actions which we do in terms of rewiring the supply chain, which will help us. I also want to reemphasize what I said in my prepared remarks is the rewiring of supply chain for us is limited by definition. We are a U. S.

Producer. Only 5% of what we sell in U. S. Is sourced in China. Now we have components, so there's still some rewiring.

But compared to anybody else, in our case, it's a very limited amount.

And I think the other thing, Mike, to your question on a tailwind from pricing in the second quarter, again, as we implement all this in April here, you have to think about some of the offset as we talked about earlier that there has been some product loaded into the market by Asian competitors that will be making its way through. So that's a bit of a headwind. Additionally, just think about how the promotional periods play out throughout the year. And yes, you'll see in a Memorial Day type of begin to see this, but really July 4 and the back half of the year is where we begin to see a lot more benefits from some of these type of promotional price increases. So that's why we think the bigger benefit does come in the back half of the year on this.

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