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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Prudential's Quarterly Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded.

I will now turn the call over to Mr. Bob McLaughlin. Please go ahead.

Good morning and thank you for joining our call. Representing Prudential on today's call are Andy Sullivan, CEO and Janella Freas, CFO. We will start with prepared comments by Janella and Andy and then we will address your questions. Today's discussion may include forward looking statements. It is possible that actual results may differ materially from those predictions we make today.

In addition, our presentation includes references to non GAAP measures. For a reconciliation of such measures to the comparable GAAP measures and a discussion of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward looking statements, please see the slides titled Forward Looking Statements and Non GAAP Measures in the appendix to today's presentation, which can be found on our website at investor.prudential.com. And now, I'll turn it over to Andy.

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the call. Let me begin with my perspective on our progress and performance, and then I'll provide details on our priorities and major actions taken during the second quarter. Our pre tax adjusted operating income was $1,700,000,000 or $3.58 per share, up 9% from the prior year quarter and our year to date return on equity was over 14%. These results reflect more favorable underwriting experience and higher spread income across our global insurance businesses as well as higher fee income in PGIM. Current quarter results included alternative investment income that was $60,000,000 below our expectations driven by lower private equity and real estate returns and the net unfavorable impact of approximately $50,000,000 from our annual assumption update process.

Our performance reflects solid momentum across most of our businesses and geographies and the actions we have taken to diversify our products, expand our distribution and address evolving market demand. I'll highlight a few examples. Our Group Insurance business continues to demonstrate strength having one of its best earnings quarters in recent memory. Our efforts to diversify our product and segment mix in this business are clearly paying dividends. In Individual Life, we produced improved earnings results and grew sales 10% year over year with a broader product portfolio.

And in Institutional Retirement, we delivered robust longevity risk transfer transactions leading to $9,000,000,000 of sales for the segment. Turning to our international insurance businesses. In Japan, where our business has traditionally focused on protection products, we are now consistently capturing the growing demand for retirement and savings solutions through the introduction of new offerings and we continue to see the stabilization of surrender activity, which has been a significant headwind for us recently. In Brazil, we continue to deliver strong sales with particular strength in our Life Planner channel. We've expanded our agency network by adding seven new agencies over the last year increasing our Life Planner headcount to an all time high.

There were two areas where we are looking for stronger more consistent results. In PGIM, flows were relatively flat as equity market volatility at the beginning of the quarter resulted in large retail outflows, offsetting solid positive institutional inflows. And in Individual Retirement Strategies, we have produced lower core earnings over the last several quarters. Although this was in part due to the expected runoff of our legacy variable annuity block, it was still disappointing. We seek to achieve more consistent results going forward as we lean into our further diversified product offering and continue to benefit from managing expenses efficiently and our pricing discipline.

Moving to slide three, we are making progress against the three priorities I laid out for Prudential in the first quarter call, which will deliver stronger performance and more consistent results over time. First, we are evolving our strategy. This is required due to the changing needs of our customers, the shifting competitive environment and rapid advances in technology. This is about focus, focusing our management attention and our capital deployment on the areas with the greatest opportunities to deliver profitable and sustainable growth over time. More updates will follow over the next several quarters.

Second, we are determined to execute with more consistency and discipline. This means improving our earnings performance as we refine our mix of businesses and products. We are committed to continuing to improve our cost base and the experience we deliver to our customers. Expanding our use of technology is core to these outcomes. Artificial intelligence is already being used across the company to enhance how we engage with customers and in our operations through automated underwriting, claims processing and risk management and will be further leveraged to more efficiently scale our businesses and support our growth.

Third, we are enhancing our culture by leaning into the talent, expertise and diversity of perspectives that define this company, while building greater speed, ownership and accountability into how we work. This isn't about future actions. We are acting as a team with urgency to drive change and deliver outcomes each and every quarter. Let me provide a specific example from this quarter. We are fundamentally changing the historical organizational model in PGIM, moving from a multi manager model with six independent business units to one integrated asset management business.

This is a substantive change that will lead to stronger revenues, reduced costs and improved margins over time. Additionally, we are unifying our multiple institutional sales forces in PGIM into one integrated client team. This will lead to a better customer experience and stronger cross selling results. In this change, we have combined our public fixed income and private credit businesses to create a single global capability with over $1,000,000,000,000 in credit assets under management. We are one of the largest credit managers in the industry and this change enables us to provide more value to our clients through a wider range of origination and alpha generating strategies, allowing us to capitalize on the rapidly growing market for broader private credit solutions.

Culturally, this work in PGIM highlights our new focus on speed and accountability. Going forward, you'll see even more from us, greater focus, more follow through to outcomes and steady progress in how we operate and create long term shareholder value. With that, I'll turn it over to Janella to walk through the financials in more detail.

Thank you, Andy. I will provide an overview of the performance for our PGIM U. S. And international businesses. I will begin on slide four with the quarterly operating results from our businesses compared to the year ago quarter.

PGIM delivered higher asset management fees driven by market appreciation, positive net flows and strong investment performance and margin expansion of 140 basis points despite higher expenses to support business growth. Results of our U. S. Businesses reflected an unfavorable impact from our annual assumption update and other refinements relative to the prior year. Excluding this item, current quarter results were higher, reflecting more favorable underwriting results from Individual Life, Group Insurance and Institutional Retirement strategies.

This was partially offset by lower fee income from the runoff of our legacy traditional variable annuity block, which will be a near term headwind as mentioned on prior calls. Our international businesses demonstrated a favorable impact from our annual assumption update and other refinements relative to the prior year. Excluding this item, current quarter results were up slightly as favorable underwriting and higher net investment spread results were mostly offset by higher expenses to support business growth. Turning to slide five. PGIM has diversified capabilities in both public and private asset classes across fixed income, equities and alternatives.

PGIM's long term investment performance remains strong with over 75% of assets under management outperforming their benchmarks over the last five and ten year periods. In addition, their three year track record, which is an important retail metric, improved notably with 87% of assets now outperforming benchmarks. CGM's assets under management increased by 8% to $1,400,000,000,000 from the prior year quarter, driven by market appreciation, positive net flows, and strong investment performance. Total net flows in the quarter of $400,000,000 included institutional third party net inflows of $2,600,000,000 comprised of broad based mandates across fixed income, private alternatives and equity and $600,000,000 of affiliated net inflows, which were offset by $2,800,000,000 of retail third party outflows driven by equity market volatility at the beginning of the second quarter. In addition, we continue to see momentum in our private credit business, which had a strong fundraising quarter and maintained steady disciplined deployment across direct lending, asset backed financing and private placement.

We are excited by the opportunity to further expand our private credit offerings as we bring our world class public and private credit capabilities together in PGIM. Turning to slide six. Our U. S. Businesses produce diversified sources of earnings from fees, net investment spread and underwriting income and benefit from our complementary mix of longevity and mortality businesses.

Retirement strategies continue to have strong momentum, generating $12,000,000,000 of sales in the second quarter across its institutional and individual lines of business. Institutional Retirement sales were $9,000,000,000 with over $5,000,000,000 of longevity risk transfer deals including our second transaction in The Netherlands. Individual Retirement posted $3,000,000,000 in sales driven by continued momentum in fixed annuity product sales, which benefited from expanded distribution as well as solid sales of registered index linked annuities. Additionally, we continue to reduce market sensitivity by running off our legacy variable annuities. Group insurance sales totaled almost $80,000,000 in the second quarter with year to date sales of $477,000,000 up 13% from a year ago, driven by growth in both group life and disability.

We are executing our strategy of both product and market segment diversification while leveraging technology to increase operating efficiency and enhance the customer experience. The benefits ratio improved to 80.9% in the second quarter, excluding the favorable impact from our annual assumption update and other refinements, and underscores favorable life underwriting results as well as our strategic initiatives to improve overall profitability and performance. In Individual Life, sales of $223,000,000 in the second quarter were up 10% from the prior year quarter. This growth was driven by higher accumulation focused variable life and term product sales. Turning to slide seven.

Our international businesses include our Japanese life insurance companies, where we have a differentiated multi channel distribution model, as well as other businesses aimed at expanding our presence in targeted high growth emerging markets. Sales in our international businesses were up 4% compared to the prior year quarter, mainly driven by our continued expansion of retirement and savings products in Japan as we focus on meeting the evolving needs of customers. While surrender activity has shown signs of stabilization in the second quarter, it will continue to be a near term headwind that will partially offset new business growth. Turning to slide eight. Our capital position and strong regulatory capital ratios continue to support our AA financial strength and our ability to grow our market leading businesses.

This includes our Japan operations, where in April, the JFSA implemented its new economic capital standard with a mandatory reporting date set for 03/31/2026 and the first public disclosure reporting around May 2026. Our operations continue to remain well capitalized. As of 03/31/2025, the fiscal year end for Japan, we estimate that the unadjusted ratios for Prudential of Japan and Gibraltar Life would be between 180200%, well in excess of levels that support our AA rating. These unadjusted economic solvency ratios are consistent with how we would report to the Japan regulator based on a strict interpretation of the standard specification. As I have stated previously, we do not anticipate any changes to our cash flow or dividend capacity, financial ratings or business opportunities in Japan as a result of implementing the new standard.

Our cash and liquid assets were $3,900,000,000 which is above our minimum liquidity target of $3,000,000,000 and we have substantial off balance sheet resources. In the quarter, our highly liquid asset balance declined as a result of redeeming $1,000,000,000 of hybrid securities. As we look ahead, we are well positioned across our businesses to be a global leader in expanding access to investing, insurance and retirement security. And with that, we are happy to take your questions.

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question today is coming from Ryan Krueger from KBW. Your line is now live.

Hi, good morning. Could you talk a little bit more about the changes you're making at PGIM with the unified structure versus the multi manager model? Guess, is it it sounds like it's both that you're doing to try to improve margins and expenses but also growth. So can you give a little bit more perspective on that and how we should think about the financial benefit coming through?

Yes. Good morning, Ryan. Sure. I'm sure as you know, the asset management industry has been evolving quite rapidly. What we see as institutional customers in specific are wanting to work with fewer and fewer asset managers and do more with those managers and the consolidation continues with the big getting bigger.

So more than ever, we believe that scale, breadth of offering and efficiency are really, really important. So we've made this change to improve our competitiveness. We decided to go to market as what I would call one PGIM, so that we could deliver seamless experience and integrated solutions. It really is a pretty sizable step for us to improve our competitiveness. We've been in the multi manager model near about twenty years at this point.

On the asset side, the key change to really focus on is really the combination of our public and private credit capability. That's how customers are buying today with integrated solutions. On the distribution side collapsing from five sales forces to one is key as well. To your point Ryan, this will have measurable benefits. We still believe that 25% to 30% margin is the right target over the intermediate term.

This will help us drive towards the top end of that target at a faster rate. A couple of key benefits and you mentioned them. First is obviously expense efficiency as we run this as one P and L versus six separate P and Ls. But the other very clear opportunity is on the revenue side from a cross sell perspective. As we sit here today, only 10% of our institutional clients actually buy more than one thing from us in PGIM.

So there's a clear revenue opportunity as we bring together more of an integrated model. Over time, this is going to strengthen our business and I'm quite pleased at the speed that the leadership team is attacking this.

Great. Thank you. And then follow-up is, can you give an update on The U. S. Pension risk transfer market and why you think it's slowed down?

Is it do you think it's more about the losses that are going on within the industry or the external environment that's causing this?

Yes. Ryan, thank you for the question. We do believe that the market has softened modestly is the way I would frame it. We expect that the market will come in around 30,000,000,000 to $40,000,000,000 this year. And it's really a tale of two cities.

In the smaller end of the market transaction volume has remained strong. But in the jumbo space it has definitely been quieter this year. Remember that is episodic by nature. We believe the key driver still remains the uncertainty and volatility that's happening in the environment. Uncertainty always causes business decision makers to slowdown in their decision making.

When you talked about litigation, we think that's potentially having some impact on the industry size. But again, we think the predominant impact is the uncertainty and the volatility. If you take a step back though from that, this is a big market and this will be a big market for years to come. There is $3,000,000,000,000 in untransacted liabilities, funding levels still sit at 105% and from our interactions with plant sponsors, they still have a high desire to transact. We feel very well positioned.

Obviously, we have great underwriting capabilities, very strong asset management organization and strong servicing. That's why we've done seven of the 10 largest transactions. We're optimistic that the market conditions will improve over time and when that happens we'll benefit.

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Suneet Kamath from Jefferies. Your line is now live.

Great. Thanks. I wanted to start on individual retirement and your Ryla sales, which I think were down 23% year over year. And if we look at industry data, I think the industry was up 20%. So it's a pretty big difference there.

Just wondering kind of what you're seeing in the market. Is it competition or new entrants? And then somewhat relatedly, Andy, you talked about improving the earnings mix or the earnings quality of individual retirement. And I guess beyond just new business, are there other things that you're contemplating when you make that statement?

So, Suneet, for the question. Let me start with the RILEY sales. The market for Individual Retirement sales has been quite healthy. Again, the sales this quarter industry wide were over 110,000,000,000 We believe that the market will remain strong given the fact that we live with an aging society, that aging society needs protected income. There are $7,000,000,000,000 sitting on the sidelines in money market funds.

It's going to stay strong. We're well positioned, thanks to the work that we've done to broaden the product portfolio and to deepen our distribution. And we've been pretty consistently selling above $3,000,000,000 each quarter. As to the RILE market specifically, we do believe the market has become more competitive. The fact is, if you look at the market, we've gone from five competitors a few years back to as we sit here today, are 25 active competitors in the marketplace, including seeing some reputable broader annuities players that have entered RILE.

By definition, if you think a few years back only five players, the share was very concentrated. So these new entrants are working pretty hard in order to obviously fragment that market share. As it comes to our the sales, what you should expect from us is we're going to continue to be disciplined and seek the best returns across this broadened product portfolio. And obviously, think this is a tailwind environment that we'll be able to participate in. As to the improvement in individual retirement, the predominant effect on our results have been the earnings volatility from our legacy runoff variable annuities block.

This is one of the main reasons that we exited that business. The volatility is driven both by the market impacts on fees that we collect, but also on the level of surrenders each quarter. We also obviously have experienced assumption and refinement changes in the business overall. But the plan remains the same. Obviously, we have made very good progress on pivoting the business and derisking through transaction.

We're going to continue as the legacy rolls off to replace that, but with new less complex products. And as we do that, we know that the earnings results and consistency will improve.

And then I guess for Janella on the 180% to 200% ESR ratio, you made the comment that you feel that's well above AA standards, but how are you calculating that? Or how are you determining that? Because I don't believe the rating agencies have come out with something that kind of gives a standard. So when you say that it's above AA, what how are you reaching that conclusion? Thanks.

Yes. Hi, Suneet. So we developed our view of the AA standard considering multiple factors. We included our internal framework as well as rating agency considerations. So they haven't come out with a view, but we understand their considerations and we have an active dialogue.

We will officially request approval of the target from our Board as part of our normal process later this year. So it would be premature to share that. But I would highlight that we intend to maintain strong ESR levels during normal markets, and that provides a cushion that enables us to meet what we believe are AA levels after a cyclical stress. So this considers any potential variability in ESR results under different market stresses and is consistent with how we manage under the current solvency margin framework. And I would just finish by saying, as I've said before, the implementation of ESR will not impact our cash flows, capacity, our ratings or our overall operations in Japan.

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Tom Gallagher from Evercore ISI. Your line is now live.

Good morning. Couple of questions on Japan. One on ESR follow-up, Janella. So I think Aflac has put out a range of 170,000,000 to $2.30 Is that like within the zip code of the way you're viewing a potential range that you'd want to operate in? Obviously, 190,000,000 would be within that range, but curious on that and whether you can talk about where your ESR is most sensitive to potential macro changes and anything on sensitivity?

Yes. So Tom, our range, as I mentioned, is 180,000,000 to 200,000,000 in terms of the as of threethirty one. It is, as I said, well above our AA what we view as a AA level of capital. So our target, we'll share it once we speak to the Board, but it has not been approved by the Board right now. I would remind you all what we're sharing in terms of an ESR level is consistent with how we would report to the Japan regulator based on a strict interpretation of current specifications.

So that is important. Our understanding is that ESRs that are currently being disclosed by other companies are on an adjusted basis using internal calculations and economic capital models, which may differ from the specifications, we are following the strict specifications. So that's important. In terms of sensitivities, so we've conducted a series of sensitivities on our ESR results in arriving at what we believe is a AA standard. And our ESR level is reflective of that level of variability that we could see.

So that is important. If to just give you a sense of sensitivities, it's kind of premature to go through all the sensitivities, but I would say that our ESR results are most sensitive to increases in Japanese interest rates. Our Japanese liabilities are very well ALM match. However, a potential rise in rates could cause lapse risk in some products. So to provide a sense of the sensitivity, if Japanese interest rates were to increase by 50 basis points and equity markets would decrease by 10%, we still do not expect ESR to be binding in terms of impact on Japan capital and cash flows.

That is helpful. Appreciate it. And then just one quick follow-up. I noticed Japan premiums declined around 10% this quarter despite pretty good sales results and I think you made positive comments on persistency. Was that due to the Prismic reinsurance deal or something else going on there?

Yes, Tom. It wasn't due to the Prismic reinsurance deal. There were really three primary drivers when you look at the year over year variance. The first is the impact of the assumption update on premiums. So when you compare year over year, the assumption update impact on the premium line had a variance and that was over half of the change.

The second is the continuing impact of surrenders on our results as some of the surrenders are recurring pay products and are reflected in that line. And lastly would be our strong sales of retirement and savings as well as single pay products, which are generally reflected in policy charges and fee in that line versus premium. So related to that third one, we've added disclosure in the QFS for account balances, so that detail could be more visible.

I guess, sorry, just one other follow-up to that point, Janella, that's helpful. Would your view be Japan total top line momentum on an economic basis is shrinking now based on all those factors? Do you think it's flat or slightly growing? Like it's just hard to interpret direction of travel here.

Yes. I think if you look at the policyholder account balances, on a sequential quarter, they're up by about $2,000,000,000 and that reflects our strong sales of our retirement and savings products where we have seen a lot of momentum.

Yes. And Tom, I would just add in. I mean, we've talked about our intentional strategy of broadening the product, deepening distribution and really what we're seeing is a lot of sales coming from new product introductions. In Japan, things that we've introduced over the last two years both U. S.

Dollar and yen denominated. Yen is now about 30% of the portfolio and we've done that work to help us overcome the surrender headwinds and we're seeing that progress.

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Elyse Greenspan from Wells Fargo. Your line is now live.

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. I want to start with, I guess, capital return, right? You guys target 65% and you obviously you had shifted us to couple of quarters ago to looking at that relative to net versus operating income.

We looked so far this year, right, that's running almost 119% obviously because the net income has been lower. So how should we think about, I guess, that ratio like moving forward? And if that continues, I guess, to stay high, will that have an impact on forward capital return?

Yes. Hi, Elyse. So there are definitely a number of variables So let me walk through a few of them. First of all, the primary driver of cash flows is debt to free capital.

And while we believe that net income is a closer approximation to cash flows, neither net income nor AOI are perfect proxies for cash flows. Now in terms of net income, what we see is that net income includes certain items that are excluded from adjusted operating income, but that may still influence statutory capital. So for example, realized gains and losses from routine portfolio management activities or mark to market on hedging instruments. They're both reflected in both GAAP net income and statutory reporting, but not in AOI. Conversely, there are components of GAAP net income that do not translate directly into cash flows.

So there's reconciling items in both directions. This quarter, the difference between net income and after tax AOI is split roughly evenly between items that impact cash flows and those that do not. And I would remind you that the 65% free cash flow ratio is an overtime measure and cash flows from our operating entities to PFI may and do fluctuate quarter over quarter. And just as an example, this year, we have not taken a dividend from our major domestic entities, yet our holding company cash balances remain strong. We continue to manage capital well above our AA solvency targets and we have continued to make shareholder distributions.

So I would just summarize by saying that dividends from our operating entities are not linear across the year and will vary and the cash flow ratio is an overtime measure.

Thanks. And then my second one, right, you guys outlined, right, 5% to 8% EPS growth, right, over three years. Through the first half of the year on a core basis, right, you guys are at around like 3%. Obviously, there's some expense movement and then there's business growth and other things that could impact the back half. But is that the right way to think about, I guess, where you are for this year?

And then would the expectation, based on where things sit today be to get back, or to get within that range of next year?

Elyse, the 5% to 8% target, is a three year target. So if you remember when we shared the targets, we also identified some near term headwinds in the form of the variable annuity runoff and Japan surrenders. Those have been incorporated in the target. But as I said a couple of quarters ago, that does mean that the earlier years, I. E, 25% growth, maybe lower and that it is not linear.

So the growth trajectory is not linear. As we said, as the growth of our ongoing businesses and our new sales will kind of outperform the VA runoff, for example, we will see that growth come through more prominently. And so I would just remind you that it's not linear. And as the headwinds dissipate, we will have stronger growth and the 5% to eight is an average over the three year period.

Thank you. Next question today is coming from John Barnidge from Piper Sandler. Your line is now live.

Thank you for the opportunity. How do you view 04/2001 retirement reform and Pruz positioning to benefit from that with the 1PGM unified structure? Thanks.

Thanks, John. We have always been advocates of good retirement reform and we always work hard to stay actively engaged in the dialogue, not only obviously here in The United States, but also globally. And as you noted, there are really two big areas of focus as we see them. First is encouraging lifetime income solutions and specifically by making them defaults in defined contribution plans. Second is really an expanding access to alternative and private type investments in retirement plans.

While you focused on the reform, I would also talk about it's important that we are doing innovation. A prime example of that is the work we've done to pioneer what we call active income, which is where we work with financial advisors to add longevity protection to separately managed accounts without moving their assets by adding an insurance overlay. So this is a new lifetime income category that we've created. It's very early, but we're excited about it. As far as your question around PGIM and our integration to one model, a big part of this is bringing forth solutions that can integrate across asset classes.

Obviously, we think that will be an advantage to us as the retail uptake for lack of a better term starts to begin to happen in DC plans. Obviously, the other things that we've been doing is on the retail side, expanding the types of vehicles that we can offer to ETFs and SMAs and broadening out our distribution. So between the reform and the changes that we're making in the business, we feel that we're well positioned to capitalize.

Sticking with PJM, my follow-up question on PJM, I'd say, as you search for greater scale and if this opportunity presents itself, where does inorganic fit within that to leverage that scale even further? Thank you.

John, probably won't be surprised to hear me say organic growth is always job number one. And we feel we have a lot of opportunity to grow organically particular with these recent changes, we think we're unlocking some additional opportunity. So I would start by saying M and A is not required to meet our intermediate term financial targets. That being said, it pertains to M and A, we do feel it's important to consistently consider a range of things from smaller capability bolt ons to larger more holistic things that can bring scale. We obviously look to globalize the business and are very interested on building on our leading positions in credit and alternatives and in real assets.

As we think about that, M and A can be an accelerant to what we want to do, but again not required to meet the intermediate term targets. As always, we're going be disciplined and what I mean by that is, it will absolutely have to align very strong strategically and provide the right returns to the shareholder over time.

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Jack Matson from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now live.

Hey, good morning. A question whether there's been any update or change to your thoughts around risk transfer especially for the run off VA business. And we saw a pretty sizable VA deal a couple of months ago that was well received by the market. So just curious about your thoughts there.

Jack, good morning. First, I always start by saying we need to recognize we've made very good progress on derisking. Between the work we've done to pivot the portfolios and the transactions that you referenced, we've reduced the exposure to traditional variable annuities by about 60%. And we don't view this as sort of starting or stopping. We view it as always looking to optimize the balance sheet, the capital, the cash flows.

To your point, there is a large market that's available for transactions, which is a good thing. There's plenty of capital, plenty of counterparties that are finding value in these legacy insurance blocks. So, we will continue to assess opportunities over time. And if and when we have something to share, we will push you on it.

Got it. Thank you. And then, just a follow-up on like the Japan persistency kind of outlook. It's good to see that things have been stabilizing or improving there. I mean, just like I guess the past month or so we've seen that the yen weaken again and rates have been rising.

I know it's not a simple formula, but I guess just curious with that kind of backdrop or are you seeing any I don't know shift in kind of those trends and how you're thinking about that for the rest of this year?

Sure Jack, I'll take it. You know, surrenders remain a near term headwind for us, but we do see that they're continuing to improve and stabilize. And unless there's a large change in the expect the impact is going to lessen over time. Additionally, we have also taken steps to counteract the effects. First and foremost, we put additional resourcing into our distribution and into our service areas to work with customers to adjust their coverage levels.

Second, we've expanded our product offerings, doubling our yen offerings and leaning into retirement and savings. All of that is helping us counteract the headwinds that we're feeling. While we're seeing improvement as we sit here, we still expect about $100,000,000 impact to 2025 consistent with what we said last quarter.

Thank you. Next question is coming from Wes Carmichael from Autonomous Research. Your line is now live.

Hey, thank you. Good morning. Andy, I think you began your prepared remarks highlighting group and definitely good underwriting in the period. But if I kind of zoom out a little bit, I think group's maybe 5% or so of the overall enterprise earnings. So I guess, is this a segment that you think can really move the needle?

And are you really pushing to grow that contribution overall to Pru?

Wes, thanks for the question. And I was hopeful that we would get to talk about Group Insurance. We're really pleased with the results both in the quarter and year to date. As I said in my prepared remarks, this is literally the second best quarter on record with strong life and solid disability. We laid down a strategy several years back to diversify both our product mix and our segment mix and that's been paying off.

We see it in the premium growth with sales up 60% year to date and in our persistency at 96%. We see it in the underwriting from sitting here with a benefit ratio of 80.9%. So this has been a business that we've invested quite steadily in. It has been growing for us nicely. It's been a consistent performer.

So our plans are to continue to stay the course on the strategy within the business, continue investing in the business and to have it become a larger percentage of what we do over time.

Prudential Financial, a global financial services company founded in 1875, offers life insurance, annuities, retirement solutions, mutual funds, and investment management services to individuals, businesses, and institutions.

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