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NOV, founded as National Oilwell Varco in 1862, designs, manufactures, and sells advanced systems, components, and products for oil and gas drilling, production, and the broader industrial and renewable energy sectors in the U.S. and internationally. NOV operates through two main segments: energy equipment and energy products and services. The Houston-based company’s portfolio includes drilling optimization technologies, solids control, waste management, hydraulic fracturing stimulation systems, and offshore production solutions.

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Good day, and welcome to the Q1 twenty twenty five NOV Inc. Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Ms. Amy D'Ambrosio, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Welcome, everyone, to NOV's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. With me today are Clay Williams, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jose Ballardo, our President and Chief Operating Officer and Rodney Reed, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that some of today's comments are forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. They involve risks and uncertainty, and actual results may differ materially. No one should assume these forward looking statements remain valid later in the quarter or later in the year.

For a more detailed discussion of the major risk factors affecting our business, please refer to our latest Forms 10 ks and 10 Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Our comments also include non GAAP measures. Reconciliations to the nearest corresponding GAAP measures are in our earnings release available on our website. On a U. S.

GAAP basis, for the first quarter of twenty twenty five, NOV reported revenues of $2,100,000,000 and a net income of $73,000,000 or $0.19 per fully diluted share. Our use of the term EBITDA throughout this morning's call corresponds with the term adjusted EBITDA, as defined in our earnings release. Later in the call, we will host a question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question answer Now let me turn the call over to Clay.

Thank you, Amy. For the first quarter of twenty twenty five, NOV reported net income of $73,000,000 or $0.19 per fully diluted share. Revenue was $2,100,000,000 and EBITDA was $252,000,000 or 12% of sales, a margin increase of 80 basis points year on year. Strong demand for deepwater production equipment and cost reductions enabled our Energy Equipment segment to achieve significant improvement, increasing margins by four thirty basis points compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Revenues for our shorter cycle segment, Energy Products and Services, outperformed the 5% reduction in global drilling activity year on year as NOV's high performance technologies continued to gain share, but these were offset by lower sales of drilling related capital equipment, which drove segment margins lower.

Both segments continue to take costs out, and their efforts are accelerating in view of the macroeconomic headwinds that are emerging. Right now, our second quarter looks solid, with sequential revenues and EBITDA expected to grow modestly. But we expect things to get tougher after that, perhaps much tougher. The emerging trade war, its effect on the broad economy and OPEC's decision to add barrels to a balanced market will almost certainly lead to lower oilfield activity, LNG demand and natural gas help notwithstanding. Accordingly, we continue to focus on operational efficiencies and careful cost management.

Lower commodity prices have North American E and Ps running more downside scenarios, and we believe activity here is most at risk, along with a few other markets like Mexico and Saudi Arabia conventional activity. On the other hand, so far, we see most international and offshore customers pressing ahead with their strategic plans. These are typically long duration, requiring a longer view, and projects continue to move forward in places like the Arabian Gulf and Brazil and in unconventional plays like Saudi Arabia's Jafurah gas field in Argentina's Vaca Muerta region, areas where NOV technologies play a critical role. NOV is well positioned to weather this latest storm. Our teams have streamlined operations and improved working capital efficiency.

We have a solid balance sheet, our cash flow has been strong. We have introduced dozens of new products that demonstrably improve the efficiency, safety and environmental impact of our customers' operations. These products have gained significant share. Our backlog of capital equipment and projects has grown steadily over the preceding four years with margins that have moved up meaningfully. Despite near term macro challenges, NOV is well positioned for where the market is going longer term.

U. S. Shales have been the most extraordinary phenomenon ever witnessed in this industry. It accounted for almost all incremental global production through the past decade, adding about 7,000,000 barrels of oil per day and crowding out offshore investments along the way. If North American shale activity slows meaningfully in the second half of the year, it would exhibit high decline rates, just like it did during COVID.

Either way, U. S. Production will peak sooner or later. And in the coming decade, we believe incremental production growth will come from a combination of deepwater and international shales. Both will need technologies and picks and shovels that NOV is uniquely positioned to supply.

I know many of you have questions about the impact of tariffs on our operations. Frankly, we do, too, as the tariff regimes and trade negotiations evolve and shift daily. In a moment, Jose will provide you more color, but the upshot is that we believe that this will be manageable for NOV, and our teams will be able to significantly reduce 80% or more, but probably not fully eliminate the full effect of known tariffs. About half of NOV's manufacturing capacity is in The United States, with the remainder spread out in various countries around the world, and we have a lot of options to adjust our supply chains. We are working closely with vendors and customers to mitigate the effects.

More importantly, we have terrific supply chain managers who successfully navigated disruption from tariffs in 2017 and again during COVID. They are steely veterans of this kind of thing. Before Rodney takes you through our first quarter results, let me say thank you to our employees. You did a great job during the first quarter, and I appreciate the way you take care of our customers and each other. We expect business to be more challenging as the year progresses, but we will weather this storm.

You are part of a strong and critical team that the World's Energy Infrastructure Council. Rodney?

Thank you, Clay. For the first quarter of twenty twenty five, NOV's consolidated revenue decreased 2% year over year and adjusted EBITDA was $252,000,000 an increase of 5%. EBITDA margins expanded 80 basis points to 12%, resulting in our fourteenth straight quarter of year over year EBITDA margin improvement. Strong execution, improved pricing on projects in our backlog, growing adoption of our new higher margin technologies and focus on operational efficiency more than offset the impacts of reduced global activity. Higher EBITDA and better working capital efficiency improved our operating cash flow and allowed us to generate positive free cash flow in the first quarter, which is typically a cash consumptive free cash flow quarter.

NOV generated $135,000,000 in cash from operations during the first quarter and $51,000,000 in free cash flow when considering our capital expenditures of $84,000,000 During the first quarter, we repurchased 5,400,000.0 shares for $81,000,000 and paid $28,000,000 in dividends. Over the last twelve months, we have increased our cash balance by $689,000,000 converted over 100% of our EBITDA to free cash flow returned April to our shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. As a reminder, through 2024, we returned 41% of our excess free cash flow. Based on our return of capital framework, we expect to pay a supplemental dividend of around $80,000,000 to true up our returns to 50% of our 2024 excess free cash flow. Subject to the approval of our Board of Directors, we expect the timing of the supplemental dividend payment to be in mid June.

Our first quarter consolidated net income of $73,000,000 or $0.19 per fully diluted share was impacted by lower equity income, unfavorable discrete items to our tax rate and an increase in unallocated corporate cost. During the second quarter of twenty twenty five, we expect eliminations and corporate cost to return to a range of $45,000,000 to $55,000,000 and we still expect our full year tax rate to be between 2628% for the year. Moving on to segment results. Our Energy Product and Services segment generated revenue of $992,000,000 a two percent decrease compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four due to lower global activity, partially offset by growing adoption of our new performance technologies. EBITDA declined $29,000,000 to $145,000,000 or 14.6% of sales.

The higher decrementals were primarily the result of a decline in shorter cycle capital equipment sales that contributed to a less favorable sales mix across our portfolio. As Clay mentioned, our teams continue to execute a number of initiatives to reduce cost and improve operational efficiencies. For the first quarter, the sales mix for Energy Products and Services was 52% Services and Rentals, 30% Capital Equipment and 18% Product Sales. Services and rentals improved 4% year over year due to a full quarter contribution from our artificial lift business and growing market share in our drill bit and downhole tool businesses. Excluding our twenty twenty four acquisitions, revenues from services and rentals were flat, outpacing global drilling activities, which declined 5%.

Our high performance drill bits with our latest cutter technology continue to drive increased market penetration, resulting in revenue growth of over 20% year over year in The U. S. Against the 6% rig count decline over the same period. Our Downhole business also continued to gain share with more customers recognizing the benefits of our Series 55 drilling motors ERT power sections and the latest generation of our friction reduction tools. Revenue from product sales decreased 13% compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four.

The decline was primarily driven by lower activity in Saudi Arabia and Mexico, partially offset by a solid increase in sales of NOV's TK glass reinforced epoxy liners in The Middle East. Turning to capital equipment. Sales decreased 5% year over year due to reduced drill pipe and managed pressure drilling equipment sales, partially offset by increased demand for offshore conductor pipe connections and continued strength in demand for composite pipe to build out infrastructure necessary for the development of unconventional resources in The Middle East. We also realized mid to upper single digit growth in sales of solids control equipment resulting from the continued market adoption of our Alpha Shale Shaker. For the second quarter, we expect revenues from our Energy Products and Services segment to be down 5% to 8% when compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty four, with EBITDA between $140,000,000 and $160,000,000 Moving to Energy Equipment segment.

Revenue for the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $1,150,000,000 down 3% from the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Despite slight decline in revenue, EBITDA increased $46,000,000 to $165,000,000 resulting in a four thirty basis point increase in margins or 14.4% of sales, driven by higher margin backlog and continued focus on operational efficiencies. This was the eleventh straight quarter of year over year margin growth for the Energy Equipment segment. Capital Equipment sales accounted for 57% of the segment's revenues in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, with aftermarket sales and services accounting for the remaining 43%. Starting with Capital Equipment.

Revenue grew mid single digits year over year, led by growth in drilling equipment and subsea flexible pipe. Bookings for the first quarter were $437,000,000 an increase of 12% year over year. Book to bill for the quarter was 80%. Backlog of $4,410,000,000 increased 12% from the first quarter of twenty twenty four, supported by our trailing twelve month book to bill of 122%. We continue to have constructive dialogue with customers who have given us line of sight opportunities that could lead to a book to bill of around one for the year.

However, we would not be surprised to see projects pushed to the right given heightened uncertainty and deteriorating market conditions. Our subsea flexible pipe business continues to have strong performance. Revenues grew year over year in the low teens percentage range with significant margin improvement due to strong execution on higher margin backlog. Backlog for the business at the end of the current quarter has almost doubled since the end of the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Our Process Systems business had another strong quarter with revenue growing high single digits year on year, including the booking of a gas dehydration package for a national oil company in The Middle East.

The outlook for offshore production remains robust with 2025 showing potential to have more awards for FPSOs than 2023 or 2024, which drives demand for process systems, flexible pipe, turret and spread moored systems, cranes, chokes and boarding valves and composite solutions. Revenue for Intervention and Stimulation capital equipment improved high single digits over the first quarter of twenty twenty four, led by sales of coiled tubing and wireline equipment, more than offsetting the lower demand for pressure pumping equipment in North America. Internationally, Argentina, Brazil and The Middle East remain bright spots, specifically for our advanced wireline and coil tubing product lines. Revenue from sales of drilling equipment increased in the mid teens percentage range year over year due to increased progress on both land and offshore projects, including initial work on the newbuild jackup we announced previously. We delivered our eleventh newbuild high spec land rig in Saudi Arabia during the first quarter.

We continue to have discussions with customers for certain capital equipment upgrades, including BOPs, increased hook load capacities and robotics. Our Marine and Construction business experienced high single digit decrease in revenue compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four as higher revenue from pipe and cabling vessels did not offset lower activity for wind turbine installation vessels. Given the macroeconomic uncertainty and unclear impact of tariffs, we may see a slowdown in project FIDs pushing the expected shortage of WTIDs out a year. However, we continue to have active dialogue with several customers and still see the potential for up to two orders later in the year. The cable lay vessel market is continuing to show strength as we booked an additional inter array cable equipment package during the first quarter of twenty twenty five.

Additionally, the multipurpose support vessel market remains healthy, driving additional demand for cranes and deck machinery. Turning to aftermarket. Revenues declined 11% year over year in our Drilling Equipment business. Aftermarket revenues decreased low double digits year over year, driven by lower spare parts bookings in the second half of twenty twenty four compared to the first half of twenty twenty four. Spare parts bookings during the first quarter increased 17% sequentially, which is about flat to our average of the prior four quarters.

Demand for recertifications and upgrades remain solid. We are seeing some delays to recertification projects in The Middle East due to announced suspensions of jackups, and we continue to anticipate a small decrease in the number of recertifications year over year. However, we expect the average scope of these projects to increase as the rig fleet ages, which should partially offset those declines. For the second quarter, we expect Energy Equipment segment revenue to be flat to up 1% compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty four, with EBITDA in the range of $155,000,000 to $175,000,000 On a consolidated basis, we expect revenue to be down 1% to 4% compared to the second quarter of twenty twenty four, with EBITDA in the range of $250,000,000 to $280,000,000 Jose?

Thank you, Rodney. NOV had a solid first quarter and continues to execute well in a highly complex environment. As we look forward, we expect geopolitical and macroeconomic uncertainty to remain high near term. While there are conceivable scenarios for which there could be some upside for the industry related to the potential for Iranian, Venezuelan or Russian barrels to come off the market, our outlook is cautious and skewed to the downside. So the obvious question is what are we doing about it?

As it pertains to tariffs, the situation remains fluid, with each of our businesses having different exposures, and we believe some will actually realize improved competitive positioning as a result. I'll highlight two representative examples that illustrate the impacts tariffs can have on our businesses. Our Downhole manufactures, rents and sells a wide array of drilling technologies and has a wide base of global suppliers and manufacturing sites. Additionally, the operation has a book of businesses that's more skewed to North America given the business's emphasis on providing leading edge technologies that improve drilling efficiencies for extended lateral wells. Based on the tariff regimes that exist today, if we took no action, the business would realize a material reduction to its EBITDA margins.

But we have not been sitting idle. In fact, we began taking actions to diversify our supply chains away from higher risk markets beginning back in 2022 by finding new vendors and by pushing some existing suppliers to open manufacturing operations in lower risk countries. The majority of Downhole Business' manufactured parts are sourced from outside The U. S. So the sources of tariff exposures are: one, parts consumed to assemble products for sale and rental in The U.

S. And two, parts that are assembled into finished tools in The U. S. That are then exported for sales into international markets. Most of the businesses in our portfolio have the same types of supply chain exposure, so our playbook is pretty consistent and includes: one, leveraging NOV's substantial U.

S. Manufacturing footprint to reshor as much content as possible for products destined for U. S. Customers two, utilizing the USMCA to the full extent to also leverage NOV's manufacturing capabilities in Mexico manufacturing and assembly operations for products destined for non North American markets to our international manufacturing plants four, sourcing raw materials from The U. S.

Or from lower tariff countries when possible and five, to the extent we can't yet find suitable alternate suppliers negotiating discounts with vendors in higher tariff countries to share costs. It takes substantial time and effort to incorporate new vendors into our supply chain. We must ensure that they meet our quality specifications and remap scheduling to account for what may be longer lead times and shipping distances. In certain areas, we've been able to work with vendors to have them stock inventory in The U. S.

Prior to tariffs coming into play, giving us a little more time to navigate through the significant changes. Our supply chain and compliance personnel have been working nights and weekends as we navigate through these changes efficiently and effectively for our customers and for our shareholders. I'd like to extend my sincere gratitude to them for the great work they are doing. We expect the actions that are currently in motion for a downhole business should eliminate more than twothree of the currently known tariff costs. We are developing and implementing additional plans to further reduce the exposure.

If we're unable to eliminate the higher costs, we expect to pass them on to our customers. Near term, we will not be able to outrun the impact of tariffs on shipments that are in transit, and there will be unanticipated second order effects, including the inflationary impact and extended lead times caused by all global manufacturers simultaneously trying to rewire their supply chains. We have already seen some U. S. Vendors increase prices for steel and other components that now have reduced competition from foreign sources due to tariffs.

Our best estimate is that NOV's consolidated results in the second quarter will include 8,000,000 to $10,000,000 in tariff expense that we may be unable to avoid. Beyond the second quarter, we estimate the tariff impact net of our mitigation efforts will increase to approximately $15,000,000 per quarter. These estimates assume we are able to pass costs from the second order effects I just described on to our customers. The actions we're taking that I've described so far are defensive, but there are areas where we expect to play offense, which brings me to the second example. In our drill pipe business, we've long resisted the temptation to offshore all of our operations and supply chain to low cost countries because we did not want to risk sacrificing the quality of our premium products.

Our drill pipe manufacturing plant in Texas is the largest in the world and produces the highest quality, most technically advanced drill pipe that has enabled superextended lateral and ultra deepwater drilling. Our U. S. Manufacturing, along with our Vostalpine Tubulars joint venture, which we believe provides the highest quality green tubes that we use as raw material, allows us to produce the best drill pipe on the planet. Today, we're the only provider of drill pipe in The U.

S. That is not heavily dependent on supplies from China for any portion of our supply chain. If today's tariff regime remains in place, customers will be able to purchase our premium drill pipe, which offers superior technology and quality, at prices that are much more competitive. So we're looking forward to having a more even playing field. We aren't just working to mitigate tariff costs.

We're using this as an opportunity to continue making NOV better as a whole. As we reorganize our supply chain, we're driving better coordination across our groups to mitigate tariff impacts and to better leverage NOV's consolidated spending power. We're also pushing even harder on other initiatives to lower costs and become more efficient. We're applying more automation and artificial intelligence technologies in our manufacturing operations as well as employing more traditional methods for driving efficiencies, including: one, eliminating layers within parts of the organization, reducing costs and making the organization more agile two, consolidating manufacturing operations, which allows us to improve utilization of our assets, increase throughput and reduce overhead three, pushing more of our back office processes into shared services and four, focusing on continuous improvement with more frequent good old fashioned Kaizen walk throughs, where we work to debottleneck, optimize and improve processes in our manufacturing operations. We're focused on getting more efficient every day.

The goal is to make sure we can provide our customers with the critical equipment they need at compelling value while we improve results for our shareholders. To provide that compelling value, cost is only one side of the equation. We're also relentlessly focused on making sure we have the right technology and offerings for our customers. We're in this for the long haul. We position the company to weather any storm and to invest in the future regardless of where we are in the cycle.

We don't know exactly how the current geopolitical and macroeconomic issues will play out over the near term, but we are confident in and focused on the longer term outlook and on three trends that we believe will drive the industry over the next decade: one, offshore production supplanting U. S. Unconventional resources as the dominant incremental source of global oil supply two, outsized demand for natural gas driving meaningful growth from global unconventional gas resources and three, the application of modern digital and AI technologies driving additional efficiencies in oilfield operations. These trends will not only drive the business long term but will also be areas of strength near term regardless of the broader market environment. We've spent a good bit of time on our recent calls talking about our digital solutions and how we're supporting the rapid expansion of activity in international unconventional resources.

So today, I want to focus on the offshore. As Clay noted, U. S. Unconventional resources have accounted for almost all incremental oil production, but it is plateauing. It has been amazing.

And while we aren't ready to call for a peak in U. S. Production, don't ever discount what this industry can do, the declining number of remaining Tier one drilling locations and firmly entrenched capital discipline should prevent the type of growth we've seen over the past decade and a half. Our offshore operator customers share this view, which is giving them the confidence to make significant long term bets in deepwater offshore projects. Unlike investments in U.

S. Shale wells, which can deliver cash flow within a year of making an investment decision of $5,000,000 to $10,000,000 deepwater developments can cost billions of dollars and typically have minimum investment horizons of five to ten years. Where deepwater shares a common trait to shales is that technological advancements have delivered material improvements in drilling and production efficiencies. These advancements are allowing the industry to push into highly prolific frontiers that were unimaginable to produce from a couple of decades ago. Today, we're drilling deeper wells and deeper water in harsher conditions with higher pressures through tighter pore pressure windows, and we're doing this with amazing efficiencies.

Much of the deepwater industry is developing today has breakevens in the $40 per barrel range, the result of incredible technology and industrialization. It doesn't get the attention it deserves, but deepwater drilling efficiency gains are not dissimilar to those realized in The U. S. Land market. High spec seventh generation rigs are drilling at rates 30% to 40% faster than they were a decade ago, thanks in large part to the equipment and technology that NOV has been delivering.

Our control systems, automation, machine learning and AI algorithms and now robotics dramatically improve drilling efficiencies and safety. Today, we have 22 automation upgrades in process, and many other customers are evaluating such upgrades. Our downhole broadband services that utilize wire drill pipe for high speed data transmission, along with our managed pressure drilling equipment, allow operators to safely and efficiently navigate through high risk zones with tight pore pressure windows. In these formations, operators are at high risk of unintentionally fracturing a zone, resulting in a well control or lost circulation issue or ruining well economics by not being able to drill a sufficiently long lateral through a pay zone. Our 20,000 psi blowout preventer, the only equipment of its kind in the market, has enabled safe development of the paleogene in The U.

S. Gulf and is driving exploration in similar previously untouchable, extremely high pressure reservoirs in other parts of the world. Even our more basic sounding lifting and handling upgrades for ultra deepwater drilling have been critical to the industry's success. These upgrades are required to handle the intense stress of pushing or pulling a rotating string of high spec drill pipe through over 7,000 feet of water and another few miles below the seafloor. We've been extremely busy helping our customers upgrade hook load capacities up to 1,400 tons, replace cranes with our new ultra heavy lift electric active heave compensation units and replace rotating machinery, all of which allow rigs to efficiently handle heavier pipe strings and drill deeper while leveraging the latest automation capabilities.

Operator demand for rigs with upgraded capabilities is high. Utilization of the high spec seventh generation rigs is effectively at 100%. So despite the transient white space our drilling contractor customers are contending with today, we're not only executing on existing projects, but we're having active dialogues with customers regarding additional upgrades. Better technology, industrialization and standardization of production related equipment have also led to improved offshore economics. Here, we've also pioneered new technologies and have established leadership positions in providing gas and liquids processing capabilities, chokes and boarding valves, sophisticated turret mooring systems, deck machinery, subsea flexible pipe and other equipment.

We continue to innovate and invest in R and D. And as highlighted in our press release, we were excited to sign an agreement with Petrobras to finish the development of a flexible pipe solution that will address the growing problem of stress corrosion cracking in high CO2 deepwater wells. We previously highlighted that the maximum revenue opportunity to NOV per FPSO is between 100,000,000 and $700,000,000 depending on the size, scope and working environment of the vessel. Today, we're following 14 potential FPSO opportunities, up to 12 of which could lead to awards for NOV during 2025. As Rodney mentioned, we could see some project awards slip a bit to the right.

However, if we are correct in assuming offshore production will supplant U. S. Land as the provider of incremental supply to the global market, given the extremely long time line for deepwater projects, the industry cannot afford to put these projects on a shelf for any extended period. So the outlook related to the offshore and international unconventional resources remains bright, as does the central role that the people and technology from NOV bring to the industry to enable safe and efficient operations. With that, we'll open the call to questions.

Thank you. And our first question will come from the line of Jim Rawlison with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. This is Connor Jensen in place of Jim. Thanks for taking my call today.

So given the guidance and comments around potentially a weaker second half, how are you thinking about 2025 margins relative to 2024 and the past commentary of looking at up 50 to 150 basis points? Thanks.

Yes, Connor. Hey, this is Rodney. So just to give some color in terms of where we're looking at 2025. So you have obviously Q1 actuals. We've provided some detailed guidance on Q2.

So what I'll try to do is kind of walk through the second half compared to the first half of twenty twenty five. So as we look at our two different segments, energy equipment, as you know, is a little bit more backlog driven business. And as we look at the moving parts there, both in terms of a strong backlog on some of our offshore production processing equipment and our rig aftermarket business, first half to second half for the EE segment overall would look to be about flat from a revenue perspective. On the EPS side, we would look to have some growth first half to second half in the ballpark of 3% to 5%. Generally in the second half of the year, we have more product capital equipment sales and also some businesses in there, including our composite pipe or fiberglass business, which is still growing primarily from infrastructure build out in The Middle East.

So put those together, that sort of 3% to 5% growth on the EE side. And then from a consolidated perspective, first half to second half, in the ballpark of 1% to 2% growth, kind of modest growth on the second half of the year. From an overall margin standpoint, to answer that point, first half to second half, a lot of moving parts here. Obviously, doing the best we can with all the macroeconomic uncertainty, geopolitical risk, tariffs, which we've tried to quantify in Jose's remarks, but sort of put those moving pieces together, including some risk factor and margins, EBITDA margins look to be about flattish kind of first half to second half. So hopefully that answers your question.

Yeah, that is very helpful. Thanks. And then just one more saw international revenues tick down from 65% to 61%, guessing this was just kind of a seasonal pullback. But given the commentary on the international and offshore market, I suspect this portion of the business will continue to grow as a share of the business going forward?

Yes, Conor, you're probably right. Obviously, there's a good seasonal fall off from Q4 to Q1 that typically is more heavily oriented towards international product shipments and capital equipment deliveries. As we go forward in time, as we're sort of looking at the rest of the year and we touched on, it's very, very fluid. There's a lot of uncertainty. But our expectation is that North America is always the quickest market to respond to any sort of changes in market conditions.

That's gotten incrementally worse. Last quarter, we were thinking that the full year North America would be down in the low to mid single digit range. That's now likely in the double digit vicinity. And then from an international standpoint, we continue to expect international to hold up quite a bit better than North America for the points that you touched on, really good resilience that we expect from increasing activity in unconventional shale and gas resources and then also continued strength in particularly deepwater offshore activity. So while the outlook for international land has gotten incrementally a little bit worse, we're still feeling pretty good about, international overall.

One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Arun Jayaram with JPMorgan Securities. Your line is open.

Yeah. Good morning, gentlemen. I wanted to see if you could elaborate on thoughts on capital equipment order activity. I think you mentioned that you still see potential to see capital equipment orders of a book to bill around one, obviously caveats with some risks just given the macro and tariff impacts. I was wondering if you could maybe elaborate on that commentary and as well as it sounds like there is quite a few potential orders on the FPSO side.

Arun, it's Jose. Yes, so I think Ryan did a good job of touching on it in his prepared commentary. So again, just to reiterate, a lot of uncertainty. And in that type of environment, it's not one where people get really excited pulling the trigger on a big capital equipment purchase. But having said that, particularly if you look at the deepwater offshore marketplace, these aren't short term bets that they're making.

They are making massive multiyear investment decisions with very low expected breakeven costs. So the confidence and conviction that we're seeing from our customers on the offshore deepwater market side of the equation continues to be very strong. And so I also talked about FPSO opportunity. Rodney touched on it in his commentary as well. The outlook there still looks very strong.

As I mentioned potentially 12 different FPSOs from which we could receive awards in 2025. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those slipped a little bit and talked about some potential for things to push to the right, but I don't think these things are going away. None of our customers are giving any indication that these things are going away. So feel really good about the outlook overall related to the offshore environment. Obviously, if we look at some other components of our capital equipment business, North America is very challenged, right?

So we're not anticipating much of anything related to orders for pressure pumping or even really completion related equipment outside of the occasional replacement part and piece, particularly related to pressure control equipment for the North American marketplace. But if we look at international markets, the unconventional resources in The Middle East and in Argentina, those are driving good healthy demand for completion equipment. I think we sold five coiled tubing units this last quarter, four of which destined for Middle East unconventional resources, one for Latin America. So that demand continues to be strong. Still actively engaged with other customers about additional completion equipment for The Middle East unconventionals and even seeing really good conversations related to potential demand for new build land drilling rigs within The Middle East.

So while there certainly have been some challenges with some suspensions of rigs, particularly within Saudi, the high spec modern rigs that are working, they're recognizing the performance and impact that, that's having that's really important with unconventional manufacturing type development. So we're talking to multiple customers in The Middle East about new rigs. We'll see how that plays out. But right now, are looking pretty good. And then if you go to other parts of the business, I think Rodney touched on kind of what the dynamics that are happening with offshore wind.

Economics for offshore wind still look really good within Western Europe and Asia. But there is a little bit of a reaction related to all the disruption that's taking place from trade developments and uncertainties. So, we've tempered our enthusiasm a little bit for the number of, development FIDs, that transpire and therefore we kind of push back that really critical point in time when we think there will be really unbearable tightness in terms of supply demand for WTIVs. But we're still actively engaged with multiple customers for WITIV vessels this year. We think that, that will still likely translate into a couple of orders potentially in the second half of twenty twenty five.

And then also, think about process systems, a lot of demand feeding into the FPSOs that I touched on earlier. So really good outlook for capital equipment overall. Again, there will be puts and takes, but generally things still heading in the right direction.

Great. I have a quick follow-up Jose and team and Clay. I wanted to see if you could talk a little bit about NOV's exposure to the flexibles market. Obviously, it's a market that you compete in versus FTI and Baker. But how big of a business is that for you?

And I wanted to see if you could talk about this agreement with Petrobras because I know one of the holy grails down there is to try to combat some of the stress corrosion in the flexibles. Could this be a needle mover for NOV?

Absolutely. Well, actually, we're really, really pleased with our team and the creative solution that they've come up to help Petrobras address their stress corrosion cracking problem. The fluids in their sub salt basin down there have a high percentage of CO2, which is pretty tough on steel. And so we've got an approach that's different than our competitors, and we think it's going to be very fruitful for us and for Petrobras. But yes, this has been a terrific business for us.

We've, as you're aware, been working through some more challenged contracts signed several years ago. We've largely got those in the rearview mirror. We've seen really good efficiency improvements drive higher profitability for that business overall for us. But it's in terms of mix, it's on the order of 10% to 15% of our energy equipment revenues. And I think it has the potential to grow.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Scott Gruber with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Yes, good morning. And I appreciate all the tariff color. Certainly interesting times. Do your tariff mitigation efforts require additional CapEx to ship roofline or invest in fabrication equipment? Normally, think you'd be looking to trim CapEx in the second half with this backdrop.

Is that possible or do the mitigation efforts include that?

Yes. Hey, Scott, it's Jose. Most of the mitigation plans that we have in motion and additional ones that are planned really do not have a meaningful CapEx component to it. We've got a lot of flexibility in terms our footprint. So it's really about getting things positioned in the right place at the right time and working closely with our vendors to make sure that we are mitigating the costs as best as we can.

So it's really a lot of blocking and tackling. I touched on, there's sort of five or six things that are really common elements in terms of what we're doing with each of our businesses. And again, most of those don't really involve much in the way of CapEx. Now there's kind of a blurry line between mitigation efforts and ongoing improvements to improve the operational efficiency within our business, which does take some capital investment in automation and robotics and things of that nature within our own operations. But I sort of view that as separate and things that we're going to do anyway regardless of the tariff mitigation.

And to your point related to kind of environment that we're in thinking outside of tariff mitigation and cost control, our CapEx program, you can sort of think of two very large buckets for 2025 when we sort of came into the year. One is really the build out of some expansion opportunities, growth capital opportunities. In these unconventional resources and basins, we're seeing tremendous demand for investments, particularly related to midstream infrastructure and driving a lot of demand for our fiberglass business. So we have some localization efforts. We have some additions to manufacturing lines that are underway and those will continue full speed ahead.

The other part really relates to the build out of our rental tool fleet associated with this great latest generation of tools and technologies that bringing to the market. We're continuing to see really rapid adoption of those tools. So you could see us maybe slow things down a little bit if that appetite slows down later in this year. But at this point in time, we're not seeing that. But certainly CapEx as we get in the second half of the year might be skewed a little bit lighter than what we were originally thinking three months ago.

Got it. Appreciate all that color. And a follow-up on M and A, this economic soft patch, does it really manifest may shake some opportunities available for NOB. How do think about the areas that you could target from an M and A perspective? Would you want to beef up more on the production side?

Do you look more for expansion into various industrial segments? Are there niche technologies of interest? Just some kind of broader color on M and A, especially given that the backdrop here is very different from four or five years ago.

Yes, is Rodney. Just to give a couple of comments there. So one, from an overall product portfolio perspective now, very pleased with our businesses that we have and what their exposure are to the end markets. So really like what the portfolio is right now. So I don't think we necessarily have to add anything to that.

Second point really around M and A starts with our ability to continue to generate strong cash flow. And we've touched on that in prior quarters in terms of our expectation to continue to generate have a 50% free cash flow conversion of EBITDA and still feel good about that throughout the year. So that continues to allow us to have flexibility in our overall capital return program. And we've laid that out before in terms of maintenance CapEx, growth CapEx and return to shareholders with M and A being an element to that too. In the current environment, to your point, perhaps it generates some opportunities, but also in a more volatile time period, sometimes it's harder to get deals done.

So we're always looking for opportunistic opportunities to deploy capital in high return environments. And so if we see something out there that's a good fit for us, that's a good value, that returns a high return to our shareholders, we'll definitely take a look at it.

Yes. And Scott, as you know too, we've always been guided by and we're big believers in the need for deals to make a lot of sense industrially. We really need to be a better owner in addition to seeing really good value. It certainly has brought the prices down for everything, including our stock. But and we continue to look, and we've been active in the M and A space here for the past several years.

I expect we'll continue to be. But I'll reiterate what Rodney just said, which is sometimes it's harder in an environment like this getting the other party to agree.

You. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Steven Gengaro with Stifel. Your line is open.

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