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Welcome to Marsh McLennan's Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. First quarter twenty twenty five financial results and supplemental information were issued earlier this morning. They are available on the company's website at marshmaclennon.com. Please note that remarks made today may include forward looking statements.

Forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and a variety of factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by such statements. For a more detailed discussion of those factors, please refer to our earnings release for this quarter and to our most recent SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10 ks, all of which are available on the Marsh McLennan website. During the call today, we may also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. For a reconciliation of these measures to the most closely comparable GAAP measures, please refer to the schedule in today's earnings release. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press 11 again.

If you're using a speakerphone, you may need to pick up the handset before pressing the numbers. Once again, if you have a question, please press 11 on your touch tone phone. I'll now turn this over to John Doyle, President and CEO of Marsh McLennan.

Good morning and thank you for joining us to discuss our first quarter results reported earlier today. I'm John Doyle, President and CEO of Marsh McLennan. On the call with me is Mark McGivney, our CFO and the CEOs of our businesses, Martin South of Marsh, Dean Klusour of Guy Carpenter, Pat Tomlinson of Mercer and Nick Steuter of Oliver Wyman. Also with us this morning is Jay Gelb, Head of Investor Relations. Marsh McLennan had a solid start to 2025.

As we said coming into the year, results in Q1 faced headwinds due to several factors and our performance tracked well with our expectations. Overall, we grew revenue 9% in the quarter, reflecting continued momentum in underlying revenue growth and contributions from an active year of acquisitions in 2024. Underlying revenue grew 4% despite lower fiduciary interest income and a tough comparison to a strong Q1 last year, and we saw good growth in all four of our businesses. Adjusted operating income increased 8% from a year ago. Our adjusted operating margin declined 20 basis points compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four, reflecting seasonality at McGriff.

And adjusted EPS grew 5%. Turning to the macro picture, clearly, the global economic outlook has become more uncertain since the start of the year. Ongoing trade negotiations will continue to create challenges for businesses and this has led to reduced consumer and business confidence, as well as financial market volatility. The outlook is likely to remain uncertain as stakeholders continue to assess the potential impacts on global trade and businesses pause new investments. As a result, expectations for GDP growth, inflation, interest rates, and other factors have become less predictable.

As far as the insurance industry is concerned, tariffs would likely be inflationary to the overall cost of risk. This comes on top of the increasing frequency and severity of natural catastrophes and rising social inflation costs. We continue to support our clients by leveraging our expertise and solutions as they navigate challenges and make decisions in this period of extreme uncertainty. In fact, we've been advising clients for years on risks to their global supply chains, which now includes disruptions in trade policy. Centrisq, our AI powered supply chain platform, which we've highlighted in past calls, is a good example of our work to assess clients' vulnerabilities to ongoing trade negotiations.

In addition, through webinars and thought leadership accessed by thousands of clients, we are helping them understand the complexity of the moment. In times like these, our clients find value in Marsh McLennan's unique perspectives, talent and capabilities across risk, strategy and people. And while we are not immune to shocks in the macro economy, we are well positioned to navigate these environments. Our track record of performance across economic cycles is a result of the strength of our business and the consistent demand for our advice and solutions. I would like to share some thoughts on resilience and preparedness for natural disasters and the role of insurance.

The earthquake that struck Myanmar and Thailand is just the latest tragic reminder that we live in a time of heightened exposures to catastrophes. This tragedy, along with the California wildfires and recent flooding in The US, highlights the devastating human toll and economic impact caused by natural disasters, especially taking into consideration the significant proportion of losses that are typically uninsured. These events show the urgent need for resilience and risk mitigation planning in disaster prone areas. Enhancing risk mitigation is essential for sustainable development and reducing the devastating impact of these events on individuals, businesses, and economies. In catastrophe prone areas, we must invest in ways that strengthen our infrastructure and lessen the impact of future disasters.

To put this into perspective, a recent report from the US Chamber of Commerce shows that every dollar spent on resilience saves communities $13 in damages, cleanup costs, and economic impact. US homeowners are increasingly reliant on state sponsored insurers of last resort and catastrophe prone areas. In these circumstances, pricing that accurately reflects the true cost of risk can often be compromised in favor of making insurance more available and affordable. Governments and regulators can help by prioritizing resilience and creating the right economic incentives to mitigate losses and foster sustainable improvements in insurance markets. Without increased resilience, the human toll will remain high and the cost of risk will continue to be a significant tax on economies, diverting funds from other important societal priorities.

Turning to insurance market conditions, according to the Marsh Global Insurance Market Index, rates decreased 3% in the first quarter despite an elevated risk landscape. This follows a two percent decline in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. As a reminder, our index skews the large account business. Overall, rates in The U. S.

Decreased 1%. Latin America was down low single digits. Europe, UK and Asia were down low to mid single digits, and Pacific was down high single digits. Global property rates decreased 6% year over year, following a 3% decline last quarter. Global casualty rates increased 4%, with US excess casualty up approximately 16% in the quarter.

Workers' compensation decreased mid single digits. Global financial and professional liability rates were down 6%, while cyber also decreased by 6%. In reinsurance, despite the California wildfire losses, capacity remains more than sufficient to support compliant demand, including additional limits in loss impacted programs. Throughout the first quarter, market conditions were consistent with what we saw at January 1. Strong reinsurer profitability, high ROEs, and increased capital levels have resulted in ample supply of property cat capacity and rate reductions.

It was also a record quarter for cat bond issuance. US property cat reinsurance rates remain competitive for the April 1 renewal period. Non loss impacted rates were down 5% to 15%, while loss impacted programs typically experienced 10% to 20% rate increases. In US casualty reinsurance, we continue to see a range of outcomes depending on loss experience, with primary carriers demonstrating limit, rate, and underwriting discipline. In Japan, April One property cat rates overall were down 10% to 15% on a risk adjusted basis.

Early signs for the June 1 Florida cat risk renewals point to similar market conditions seen in January and April, with an anticipated increase in demand ready to be absorbed by more than adequate supply. As always, our focus is on helping clients navigate these dynamic market conditions. Now, let me provide a brief update on our acquisition of McGriff, which closed on November fifteenth of last year. Our colleagues at McGriff performed well in the quarter and the integration remains on track. The team is quickly leveraging the broader capabilities of our company, while bringing their own distinct advantages to the market.

We are already seeing wins from bringing together the best of both. As we said when we announced the transaction, McGriff is a business with outstanding talent and a track record of strong growth, and I'm excited to have them as part of our firm. Now, let me turn to our first quarter financial performance and outlook, which Mark will cover in more detail. Revenue grew 4% on an underlying basis, with 4% growth in RIS and 4% in consulting. Marsh was up 5%, Guy Carpenter grew 5%, Mercer four %, and Oliver Wyman was up 4%.

We had adjusted operating income growth of 8%, and we generated adjusted EPS in the quarter of $3.6 which was up 5% from a year ago. We also repurchased $300,000,000 of stock in the quarter. Turning to our outlook for 2025, we continue to expect mid single digit underlying revenue growth, another year of margin expansion and solid adjusted EPS growth. Of course, this outlook is based on conditions today and the economic backdrop could turn out to be materially different than our assumptions. In particular, and as discussed earlier, the uncertainty in ongoing trade negotiations and their effect on consumer and business confidence could have a significant impact on the global economy and our results.

In summary, we are pleased with our results and are off to a good start in 2025. We are well positioned and have a resilient business that provides critically important advice and solutions, and we have proven our ability to deliver across cycles. With that, let me turn it over to Mark for a more detailed review of our results.

Thank you, John, and good morning. Our first quarter results represented a solid start to the year. Consolidated revenue increased 9% in the first quarter to $7,100,000,000 with underlying growth of 4%. Operating income was $2,000,000,000 and adjusted operating income was $2,200,000,000 up 8%. Our adjusted operating margin was 31.8%.

GAAP EPS was $2.79 and adjusted EPS was $3.06 up 5% over last year. Looking at Risk and Insurance Services, first quarter revenue was $4,800,000,000 up 11% or 4% on an underlying basis. Operating income in RIS was $1,600,000,000 in the first quarter. Adjusted operating income was $1,800,000,000 up 8% over last year, and our adjusted margin was 38.2%. Our margin in RIS reflected the impact of seasonality in McGriff's revenue we previously guided to.

At Marsh, revenue in the quarter was $3,500,000,000 up 15% from a year ago, or 5% on an underlying basis. This comes on top of 8% underlying growth in the first quarter of last year. In US and Canada, underlying growth was 4% for the quarter. In international, underlying growth was 6%, with Latin America up 8%, EMEA up 6%, and Asia Pacific up 4%. Guy Carpenter's revenue in the quarter was 1,200,000,000.0 up 5% on both a GAAP and underlying basis.

Growth remained solid despite softer reinsurance market conditions, and came on top of 8% growth in the first quarter of last year. In the consulting segment, first quarter revenue was $2,300,000,000 up 5% or 4% on an underlying basis. Consulting operating income was $456,000,000 and adjusted operating income was $491,000,000 up 8%. Our adjusted operating margin in consulting was 21.2, up 50 basis points from a year ago. Mercer's revenue was $1,500,000,000 in the quarter, up 5% or 4% on an underlying basis.

Health underlying growth was 7%, reflecting continued solid growth across all regions. Wealth was up 3%, led by investment management. Our assets under management were $613,000,000,000 at the end of the first quarter, down 1% sequentially and up 25% compared to the first quarter of last year. Year over year growth was driven by our acquisition of Cardano, positive net flows and the impact of capital markets. Career declined 1%, reflecting growth in international, offset by continued slower demand in The U.

S. Oliver Wyman's revenue in the first quarter was $818,000,000 an increase of 4% on both a GAAP and underlying basis. Growth in the quarter was led by strength in The U. S. And came on top of 13% growth in the first quarter of last year.

Fiduciary income was $103,000,000 in the quarter, down $9,000,000 from the fourth quarter and $19,000,000 compared with the first quarter last year, reflecting lower interest rates. Looking ahead to the second quarter, we expect fiduciary income will be approximately $100,000,000 Foreign exchange was a $05 headwind in the first quarter. Exchange rates have been volatile over the past several trading days, making it challenging to predict their impact looking forward. However, based on current rates, we anticipate that FX will have an immaterial impact on earnings in the second quarter and the rest of the Turning to our McGriff transaction, as John mentioned, our integration continues to go well. As we said last quarter, the first quarter is McGriff seasonally smallest from a revenue perspective, which resulted in modest dilution to adjusted EPS in the quarter.

We continue to expect that McGriff will be modestly accretive to adjusted EPS for full year 2025, becoming more meaningfully accretive in 2026 and beyond. We still expect noteworthy charges associated with McGriff of approximately $450,000,000 to $500,000,000 in total through 2027, with the vast majority of these costs associated with retention incentives, a significant portion of which was put in place by the seller. These costs flow through our financial statements, but were funded by the seller through a purchase price adjustment. As is our convention, we are excluding McGriff from our underlying growth calculations for the first year. As we mentioned last quarter, we are now excluding acquisition related intangible amortization and the net benefit credit from our adjusted earnings.

Last quarter, we provided a supplement to our press release that recasts historical financial information on this new basis of reporting. Total noteworthy items in the quarter were $91,000,000 the largest of which was $69,000,000 related to McGriff. Interest expense in the first quarter was $245,000,000 up from $159,000,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. This increase reflects higher levels of debt associated with the McGriff transaction. Based on our current forecast, we expect interest expense will be approximately $250,000,000 in the second quarter.

Our adjusted effective tax rate in the first quarter was 23.1%, which compares with 23.9% in the first quarter last year. Our tax rate benefited from favorable discrete items, the largest of which was the accounting for share based compensation similar to a year ago. Excluding discrete items, our adjusted effective tax rate was approximately 25.5%. When we give forward guidance around our tax rate, we do not project discrete items which can be positive or negative. Based on the current environment, we expect an adjusted effective tax rate of between 2526% in 2025.

Turning to capital management or balance sheet. We ended the quarter with total debt of $20,500,000,000 In the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we repaid $500,000,000 of senior notes that matured in March. Our next scheduled debt maturity is in the first quarter of twenty twenty six, when $600,000,000 of senior notes mature. Our cash position at the end of the first quarter was $1,600,000,000 Uses of cash in the quarter totaled approximately $800,000,000 and included $4.00 $5,000,000 for dividends, 95,000,000 for acquisitions, and $300,000,000 for share repurchases. We continue to expect to deploy approximately 4,500,000,000 of capital in 2025 across dividends, acquisitions and share repurchases.

The ultimate level of share repurchase will depend on how our M and A pipeline develops. Overall, we are pleased with our first quarter results. For the full year, we continue to expect mid single digit underlying growth, margin expansion and solid growth in adjusted EPS. However, as John mentioned, this outlook is based on conditions today and the economic backdrop, especially in light of recent uncertainty around global trade policies, could turn out to be materially different than our assumptions. With that, I'm happy to turn it back to John.

Thank you, Mark. Andrew, we are ready to begin Q and A.

Certainly. We will now begin the question and answer session.

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One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Gregory Peters with Raymond James.

Well, morning, everyone. Probably very appropriate to go back to the commentary around the tariffs and the trade issues and challenges. Maybe you can provide some additional color on which geographic areas might it show up inside the risk businesses? And does this benefit the consulting business as well as your clients look for more advice?

Yeah, I'm sure Greg. Look, I think it's difficult to say on a country by country basis what parts of our business might be more impacted. Obviously, there's much more in front of us all in terms of those negotiations. And so it's quite a fluid situation. At this point anyway, I would say there's no real direct impact to our business, but of course there'll be indirect impacts.

Global GDP may slow at least until there's some resolution as business confidence declines. We'll see market volatility of course in our investment business, and that could create some challenges in our OCIO business, but also create some possibilities around the advisory work that we do on behalf of our clients. And as I noted in my prepared remarks, it's likely to be inflationary on loss costs. Again, we'll see how things settle out. Remains to be seen of course, what it might mean to drug costs in The United States and our employee health and benefits clients here in The US.

Obviously, for the global economy, quicker resolution to these negotiations is important, so businesses and consumers can move forward with greater confidence. But as you mentioned, change is generally good for our consulting businesses. And so, again, we're not immune at all macro GDP pressure, but we are resilient business and again, as we see it now, we continue to expect mid single digit revenue growth, margin expansion, and solid growth in adjusted EPS. Do you have a follow-up, Greg?

Absolutely. My follow-up question, just a pivot back to the capital allocation commentary. One of your peers is also pretty active in the marketplace and encountered some antitrust issues with their pending acquisition. And I know you have a robust record of doing acquisitions in North America and elsewhere. I'm just curious what your view is as you continue to evaluate the landscape of potential opportunities, how that might square or reconcile with growing antitrust potential risks.

Yeah, I'm not familiar with the details, of course, of that particular issue, obviously you can check with them. We're very thoughtful and mindful of antitrust risks and have executed very, very effectively. I also think it's pretty unclear where the current administration may come out on our industry and broadly speaking on M and A. As you point out, for a long time it's been an important value creator for us. We remain quite active in the market.

We did four small deals in the first quarter. Our pipeline remains strong. We have a really attractive reputation as a partner in that marketplace. Last year again was just an outstanding year for us. I talked about McGriff in my prepared remarks, Greg, but I would also note, we acquired two other top 100 agencies at MMA last year, Fisher Brown Betrell and Horton.

And in addition to that, we acquired Cardano and Vanguard's USOCIO business in our investment business. So it was really a terrific year for us in that respect. So we're excited about the possibilities going forward. I'd also note, we're on this subject, we're more likely to continue what's mostly been a string of pearls type strategy for us. We have the capacity to do something bigger, but we're not just looking to get bigger, we do wanna grow of course, but we wanna get better along the way.

And the businesses that I mentioned make us better, not just bigger and so we're really excited and so far so good on all of them. Thank you, Greg. Andrew, next question please.

Certainly. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Zaremski with BMO Capital Markets.

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Maybe going kind of back to the macro backdrop and it makes sense in the prepared remarks, the less predictable and uncertainty, those words were used. I guess when we historically when we look at Marsh's revenue growth kind of sensitivity to the macro, the company has done a great job kind of managing its expenses to kind of manage through on the profit margins to make it kind of a more shallow of an impact. I know over the years too that I think you've worked Marsh has worked to make some of its businesses like Career potentially also less macro sensitive.

But just kind of curious, are you guys adopting a similar playbook right now given the uncertainty to kind of manage your expenses and are using kind of the same playbook as the past or is it tougher now given just the unpredictability of certain factors?

Yes, thanks Mike for the question. Let me talk about the quarter, the first quarter just for a second. As I said, it was a solid start to the year. It was largely in line with what we had expected. We guided to a slower start to the year, right?

So we did anticipate slower GDP in the first quarter. Fiduciary income, of course, was going be under some pressure due to lower interest rates. Mark talked about the impact there. And we anticipated a bit softer pricing in P and C market. And so, so, of that factored into our guidance and our expectations around the first quarter.

And then at the same time, last year, we just had an outstanding start to the year and it was our strongest quarter of growth during the year. And so we expected some macro headwinds and got them and we had a very tough comp as well. But again, in line with our expectations. Growth overall was good though, was solid across all of our businesses. On a GAAP basis, very strong again on the strength of some of the acquisitions that I mentioned from a year ago.

And I thought we executed well in the quarter. So, and I've shared our outlook, But yeah, we certainly model downside scenarios to revenue. We model upside scenarios too. Think it's important so that we're constantly doing that. So we're being as thoughtful about capital allocation, as thoughtful about expense management, regardless of the environment.

Again, whether we have tailwinds or headwinds, we're constantly doing that. It's a critical part of our management playbook. And in downside scenarios, yes, we have levers to pull and we know what they are and we spend a fair amount of time talking about them. And so, if things, Mike, like incentive and sales comp that are naturally gonna fall off in slower revenue growth environment. We of course would look to slow discretionary spending, T and E, other outside services as an example.

And we can slow hiring, right? Comp and Ben is obviously a meaningful part of our overall expense picture and we can harvest voluntary turnover attrition as well. Then in more severe scenarios, are other levers to pull. So, we model those things. We're not, however, gonna damage the business in the medium to long term, right?

We wanna grow our business and be there for our clients. And we know, not far down the road, there'll be a brighter economic picture than there is today. So, and again, we have a track record across economic cycles, again, we know the levers to pull and we will pull them as we see data emerge that requires it. Do have

quick follow-up. I don't know if you have any, I think you cited in the Marsh pricing index that global property continued to decelerate kind of quarter over quarter. I know global property, if you look back over many years, accelerated a lot. I'm just kind of curious, does it I know you guys are working hard obviously to get your clients better rate. But would you expect at a macro level global property rates to continue to be a negative territory kind of assuming normal catastrophe levels, given just the extent of how hard that market was for a long period of time?

I don't know if there's any terms of conditions changes that are taking place or any color there. It seems to be the, I think we all know casualties is the problem child, but property seems like it's continues to soften. So just looking for color. Thanks.

Yeah, sure, Mike. Maybe I'll share a couple of high level comments and then I'll ask both Martin and Dean just to talk about what they see in the market. So, as I said, we expected a bit of a softer market, prices, I'm not declaring it a soft market, just to be clear, but prices softened a bit in the quarter. Expected that. And it is, as you point out, welcome relief to our clients after five years of pricing.

I mentioned in my prepared remarks, you've seen strong underwriting results for both insurers and reinsurers. Given those results, they're more growth oriented maybe than they've been over the course of the last couple of years. Property was the most notable rate of increased decline. On the other side, as you point out, casualty, particularly casualty here in The United States and excess liability, that market is under some stress from our clients' perspective. But Martin, maybe you could talk a little bit about the insurance market in the quarter and share some thoughts with Mike.

Of course, delighted to. And as we mentioned, our global rate index declined 3% in Q1. It's the third sequential quarter of rate declines. And overall though, the composite rate index remains up one and a half times since its inception in 2012. So, to your point, it's been a long period of pain for our clients.

Just going through the lines of coverage, casualty saw rates of four percent globally, the most consistent to the last quarter. The U. S. Continued to see rate increase at the highest level, eight percent across the board and sixteen percent in the umbrella and excess casualty. Property is down 6%, with The U.

S. And The Pacific experienced the largest decreases, followed by The U. K. At 6%, and all other regions saw low single digit declines. FinPro is down 6%, Cyber down 6%, reflecting previous trends.

But keep in mind that our index skews to larger account, as we mentioned. We have a diversified business with large exposures to the middle market where pricing tends to be less cyclical. However, our focus is obtaining the best outcome for our clients with the lowest coverages and the best value. And we continue to do an excellent job doing that.

Thank you, Martin. Dean, maybe you could share some thoughts on the reinsurance market.

Great. John. Mike, I'll give you a little bit of color on the April 1 reinsurance market, mostly focused on property cat here, which I think a key driver in the ecosystem of the market. But in April 1, we saw a continuation of market conditions that we experienced at January 1. As John noted, we continue to see a very competitive market with a modest increase in client demand, mostly from personal lines and E and S riders that are both driving underlying primary insurance rate increases.

As John noted, capacity in the property market has been ample, driven by very strong reinsurer returns in 2024, reported at 16% as an indices. The reinsurer appetite for property cat continues to increase. They're writing more. They've been more aggressive. But I think the real takeaway, the headline, Mike, is that the California wildfires had really little or no impact on pricing terms and conditions in the property cat market at April 1.

John talked about US property cat. We saw 5% to 15% rate decreases for non loss impacted accounts. Turning to Japan, which John touched on, we saw a very orderly property cat renewal at April 1. Again, capacity was strong. Many of our cat programs were oversubscribed in the market.

We see stable demand from clients in Japan really offset by greater increases in capacity. Few structural changes, attachment points that were hard fought two years ago, literally stayed unchanged in the Japanese marketplace. And property cat rates were down 10% to 15% on average in Japan. Again, really no impact from the California wildfires on the Japanese market. Capital is plentiful in the reinsurance market.

We talked about at the January 1 renewal that dedicated reinsurance capital was up 7%. We see capital increasing. We see reinsurers deploying more capital. We see a very strong ILS market. John talked about record cap bond issuance.

So all these things are adding up to additional capital and capital deployment in the property cat market.

Thank you, Dean. Mike, one last thought is, the market's now pricing in well in excess of $100,000,000,000 of insured cat losses. It's obviously early in the year. Though as you know, Guy Carpenter's biggest quarters are the first and second quarter, right? So that's really a reflection of treaty renewals and where they are in the calendar.

So impacts to us will be really down the road if the cat season turns out to be very different than what we expect. But thank you, Mike. Andrew, next question please.

Our next question comes from the line of Jimmy Bhullar with JP Morgan.

Hey, good morning. So I had a question just first on Oliver Wyman and I'm assuming that the uncertainty and all the trade talk is creating some demand in certain verticals, but overall, is the environment and the increased uncertainty positive or is it overall a negative for Oliver Vaughman just as companies are sort of pulling back from budgets and just activities declining?

Yeah, thanks Jimmy. We had a, I think a good start to the year for Oliver Wyman, was on 4% growth on top of 13% last year. So just a big, big quarter a year ago, so a tough comp. But sales have been solid. As you point out, it is discretionary spend.

Maybe I'll ask Nick to share a little bit more color about what we're seeing in that market.

Thank you, Jimmy. Maybe just a bit of context, which I know I often put in place first, but we do see this through the cycle as a mid to high single digit growth business and we have been in a bumpier part of the cycle on the demand side, the geopolitical policy and economic uncertainty is not brand new. But also on the supply side, we've had a couple of years where oversupply in the industry has been working its way through. And you'll have noted we did not appear on the list of large suppliers to the U. S.

Government, but that has created some increased oversupply. But notwithstanding all of that bumpiness, the market continues to grow. We are very happy with the first quarter, as John said, given the high comp. Within that, as you note, there are some strong areas of growth. The U.

S. And Canada, Mark called out, but also our insurance and asset management and actuarial practices, which are increasingly working closely together, have standout growth. We saw good growth in consumer telecoms and technology, also very strong growth in transportation and advanced industrials and our banking practice as well did well. And our finance risk and restructuring practices were also in double digits, less even growth elsewhere. I think to get to the nub of your question, as you know, we have relatively short visibility.

When the big questions for our clients change that tends to be very good for our business. When there's a lot of confusion and short term uncertainty that is less so. It can often lead to a little bit of a freeze. I don't think current events necessarily press such a tougher period ahead. It's a bit too early to tell.

So we're on watch. But for now we remain very busy. We're confident in our ability to help our clients in their most transformative moments when the big questions change.

Thank you, Nick. Jimmy, do you have a follow-up?

Yeah, maybe just for Dean, you gave some good color on renewals recently, oneone and April as well. Are you expecting midyear renewals to be similar in terms of terms and changes in attachment points and pricing, or do you expect a change one way or the other?

The answer is yes. We expect a continuation of market conditions that we experienced at January 1 and April 1. The market in Florida remains very stable despite the hurricanes last fall. So we expect cap pricing to be very, very similar as one point one and four point one. We see an adequate supply of capital in the Florida market.

And certainly, the active cap bond market has kind of bolstered that impact to capacity. We see clients buying more property cap limit at the June 1 renewal. And we're starting to see benefits from the Florida legal reforms, really lowering frequency and severity in the Florida market. Definitively yes to your question moving forward.

Thank you, Dean. Thank you, Jimmy. Andrew, next question please.

Certainly. Our next question comes from the line of David Motemaden with Evercore ISI.

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just another question just given the macro environment and some of the policy questions. Could you help me think through how much exposure Marsh has across the company to government consulting or government contracts?

Yeah, thanks David for the question. Nick talked about it, touched on it a bit, in terms of US governments, at Oliver Wyman. We do work for governments all over the world and most of that work is in Oliver Wyman then Mercer, but Marsh and GC have a little bit of it as well. A lot of that work is really important advice. I talked about resilience and sustainable development in my prepared remarks.

A lot of the work is around that, those subjects. But what I would say to you, David, is that overall, that work is not material to the company overall.

Great, thanks. And then could you just help me think through the underlying revenue growth slowdown in March within US and Canada specifically? I know the comp was tougher, but I'm wondering, was it all just the pricing slowdown? Or was there any impact from maybe a little bit of overlap with McGriff and some of the existing Marsh book? Just looking for a little bit of color there.

Yeah, for sure. And I'll ask Martin to jump in, but unrelated at all to McGriff, and as Mark noted, McGriff's not in our underlying revenue calculation, and we couldn't be more pleased with how McGriff has gone to date. We've got a lot of work still in front of us, but so far so good and remain very, very excited about that. But Martin, maybe you could talk about growth in The U. S.

Of course, John, yeah. So, solid start to the year with 5% growth, which as you say was on top of a big comp. And in The U. S. In particular, U.

S. Growing up 4%, which is on top of 8% in 1Q twenty twenty four. Still strong performance in MMA. And whilst McGriff is not an underlying growth, we're thrilled to their start of the year. Specialty performance was particularly strong.

We saw an uptick in FinPro. Offsetting this performance, there was weakness in construction and property. Construction really is a reduction in new business driven by some of the uncertainty around the geopolitical environment and the cost to rebuild. And property rates accelerated their decline to 9%. So unless we don't look to one quarter to grow to evaluate performance over time, our U.

S. Business has seen tremendous growth in the post pandemic area. We're very well positioned in the future. And our international business continues to grow well, 6% on top of 8% in the first quarter of twenty twenty four and saw strong new business growth. Latin America, 8 Percent on top of 8% in Q1 last year.

EMEA, 6 Percent on top of nine APAC four on top of six and particularly strong growth in our benefits business, which is performing well around the world.

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