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Welcome to Lennar's First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Today's conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time.

I will now turn the call over to David Collins for the reading of the forward looking statement.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Today's conference call may include forward looking statements, including statements regarding Lennard's business, financial condition, results of operations, cash flows, strategies and prospects. Forward looking statements represent only Lennar's estimates on the date of this conference call and are not intended to give any assurance as to actual future results. Because forward looking statements relate to matters that have not yet occurred, these statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties. Many factors could affect future results and may cause Lennar's actual actual results to differ materially from the activities and results anticipated in forward looking statements.

These factors include those described in our earnings release and our SEC filings, including those under the caption Risk Factors contained in Lennar's Annual Report on Form 10 K most recently filed with the SEC. Please note that Lennar assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements.

like to introduce your host, Mr. Stuart Miller, Chairman and Co CEO. Sir, you may begin.

Very good. Good morning, everybody, and thanks for joining us today. I'm in Miami today together with John Jaffe, our Co CEO and President Diane Bissett, our Chief Financial Officer David Collins, who you just heard from, our Controller and Vice President and Fred Rothman, our Chief Operating Officer. As usual, today I'm going to give a brief macro and strategic overview of the company. After my introductory remarks, John is going to give an operational overview updating construction costs, cycle time, some of our other operating positions.

As usual, Diane is going to give a detailed financial highlights along with some limited guidance for the second quarter of twenty twenty five. And then of course, we'll have our question and answer period. And as usual, I'd like to ask you to please limit to one question and one follow-up, so we can accommodate as many as possible. So let me begin. As we noted in our press release last night, we're very pleased to review our twenty twenty five first quarter results against the backdrop of a challenging economic environment for the housing market.

We adhere to our strategy and focus on driving consistent volume and growth by matching sales and production base and using our margin as a circuit breaker. We completed our Milrose spin off distributing shares to our shareholders and supporting our transition to an asset light land light model. And we completed our Rausch Coleman acquisition using our asset light model as we expand into new markets. While margin and earnings have been adjusting to movements in the overall housing market, we are confident that our focus on volume and even flow will position us very well for resilience, durability and growth in the future. Let me briefly discuss the overall housing market.

Consistent with last quarter's earnings call, the macro economy remains challenging as mortgage interest rates have remained higher for longer, which has left the overall housing market weaker for longer. Across the housing landscape, actionable demand has slowed materially. On a bad news is good news basis, all of this has led to the long awaited environment where the cost of both homes, new and existing and apartments start to come down. As we noted in our press release, our average sales price this quarter net of incentives declined to $408,000 1 percent lower than last year. Evidence suggests that the time is now and the sticky and large housing component of inflation might soon contribute to curtail the last mile to the 2% target.

While underlying demand for homes remains strong, actionable demand is limited by affordability and credit, which remain challenged by limited funds for down payment as well as income qualification for mortgage. Most recently, even where household income indicates an approvable mortgage qualification, elevated personal debt levels have often presented as an additional impediment to already strained mortgage access. Additionally, until recently, consumers have been generally confident that they will remain employed and that their compensation is safe. But more recently, even that safety has been called into question. A somewhat confused consumer and wavering consumer confidence have challenged the consumer's desire and ability to transact.

While there continues to be considerable traffic, customers looking for homes, the urgency to actually transact remains tepid. The overall supply of homes has also remained constrained by years of underproduction. Additional shortfalls in production will likely be triggered by now music demand together with already existing restrictive land permitting and higher impact fees at local levels and higher construction costs across the housing landscape. Additionally, new approaches to both immigration and tariffs have potential limiting impacts and John will discuss this further in just a few minutes. In summary, the housing market has softened as affordability and consumer confidence have limited actionable demand.

Incentives have been increasing and net housing prices seem to be moderating. At very least, housing will not be contributing to inflationary pressures and while demand is constrained, supply is equally limited. Against this backdrop, let me turn to Lennar's operating strategy. Our strategy is and has remained very clear. That is simplify our business by focusing on the two core tenants of our operating strategy.

Operationally, build and deliver consistent volume to maximize efficiencies and financially drive asset light land light focus to build cash flow. Now that we have completed our No Rose spin off, we have intensified our focus on each. First, we focus on consistent volume by matching our production base with our sales base. This means that as market conditions change to the positive or to the negative, we focus on driving and delivering consistent volume at the division level and at the community level in order to maximize efficiencies in construction costs, in cycle time, in SG and A and in all elements of marketing and sales. We also strive to deliver consistent and even flow volume to our trade partners, so they can be more efficient and deliver cost savings to us.

While we are not there yet, we are getting better each quarter and will accelerate progress now that the spin is behind us. Our execution in the first quarter was materially better than in the fourth quarter last year when we missed our expectation on sales volume. This quarter, we did adjust and adapt to market conditions in real time as we adjusted incentives and pricing, we achieved expected sales volume and we did not enable our inventory levels to spike. We are laser focused on keeping sales volume up in order to catch up pace and find even flow in each division and each community. By maintaining this discipline, we will not build up inventory in either built homes or in developed home sites and we will efficiently convert production to cash.

As I noted last quarter, the catching up comes at a cost and that cost is additional pressure on margin. Accordingly, we have looked ahead to the second quarter of twenty twenty five as we've looked ahead to the second quarter of twenty twenty five, we expect to sell between 545,500 homes and deliver between 539,500 homes. We expect our margin to be approximately 18% depending on market conditions as we expect to continue to see margin pressure on deliveries that will be sold during the quarter. Nevertheless, we are focused on driving sales and closings and driving strong current cash flow even at reduced profitability, while maintaining properly sized inventory levels, so that as market conditions stabilize or improve, we will benefit from normalized margins across our growing volume. On a side note, our margins are actually quite strong except for the approximately 13% incentive we are using to enable affordability.

These are outsized for the moment and normalized incentives should be around 5% to 6% and that would track to a normalized margin for a normalized margin to be in the mid-20s percent margin. We remain focused on consistent volume in current market conditions and we will be very well positioned as the market normalizes. The second focus of our operating strategy is to refine our asset light configuration. We are much closer to the completion of the strategic rework of our operating platform from being a traditional homebuilder with sizable land assets to becoming a pure play land light, asset light manufacturing model homebuilder that benefits from just in time delivered just in time finished home site delivery. The Mill Road spin completed the backbone structure of that rework.

Now we are and have the time to focus on refinement of that platform. With Mill Road operational, we now have a strong complement of land bank partners that enable the land and land development activity that enables the just in time delivery of fully developed homesite as a manufacturer. Of course, each of these valued partners operates a little differently and has a different cost structure. But with the diverse land trade partners, we will refine cost and execution over time. As with all of our trade partners, our land partners will benefit from our consistent and predictable volume and our cost structure will benefit as a direct result.

As we've noted before, once refined, we have conviction that our structured asset light land light model enables far more predictable volume and growth with a much lower asset base and lower risk profile. We are confident that our operating strategies of consistent volume and an asset light landline just in time delivery system of developed home sites will continue to enable our company to be best positioned to rationalize our cost structure and be best positioned with strong volume as margins normalize. Let me turn back briefly to our first quarter twenty twenty five results. As I noted earlier, we're quite pleased with the successes embedded in our first quarter results and accomplishments. In our first quarter, we started 17,651 homes, delivered 17,834 homes and sold 18,355 homes.

As mortgage interest rates remained higher for longer and consumer confidence search for footing, we drove volume with starts, while we incentivize sales to enable affordability. As a result, during the first quarter, sales incentives rose to approximately 13%, reducing our gross margin to 18.7%. Our SG and A came in at 8.5%, which produced a net margin of 10.2%, although we were able to maintain construction costs and reduce cycle time as John will detail shortly. We exceeded our sales and delivery expectations, while we were able to grow our community count from fourteen forty seven last quarter to fifteen eighty four communities this quarter including our Rose Colon acquisition and we're better prepared and we're now better prepared for the remainder of the year. We continue to expect to deliver between 174,000 homes in 2025.

Our results represent a consistent and strategic quarter of operating results in the context of a very difficult economic environment, all while completing a time intensive mill rose spin and growing into new markets with the Rausch Coleman acquisition. We clearly were able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Additionally, on the positive side, we've driven our operating strategy to enable consistent cash flow, which has enabled us to strategically allocate capital. Our strategy has enabled us to repurchase another 5,200,000.0 shares of stock for $7.00 $3,000,000 in the first quarter, while we continue to deliver a strong dividend. Additionally, we distributed as a dividend to Lennar shareholders eighty percent of the shares of Millrose Property Corporation and through that Millrose ownership, they will receive a regular dividend while providing the permanent capital, which will drive the future success of Lennar.

As for the remaining 20% of the Mill Road shares, Lennar will shortly dispose of that remaining 20% in either a further distribution of Mill Road shares or at Lennar's option may execute a potential exchange for Lennar shares, which would basically effectuate a cashless buyback of Lennar shares. Just to say this again, the additional 20% interest will be retained for a relatively brief period of time and will either be distributed or exchanged for Lennar shares to effectuate a cashless stock buyback. After our stock repurchases and dividends, we ended the quarter with $2,300,000,000 of cash on book and an 8.9% debt to total capital ratio. We are well positioned after the mill rose spin to be able to continue to return capital to shareholders as we continue to grow our business. We are very well positioned from balance sheet to operating strategy to be able to adjust and address as the market unfolds as we execute through the year.

So let me conclude and say that while this has been a constructive quarter for Lennar and while the short term road ahead might still seem a little choppy, we're very optimistic about the longer term road ahead. This has been a very exciting quarter for Lennar and we couldn't be prouder of the work and dedication of our extraordinary associates who've worked together to make it all happen. Let me also take a minute to welcome to the team the talented new members of Lennar who have joined from our Rausch Coleman combination. We couldn't be prouder to now have us all working together as one. Together, we've expanded our platform as we have upgraded the financial and operating platforms of Lennar and as we will continue to drive production and sales.

We've continued to drive production to meet the housing shortage that we know persists across the market. And as and when interest rates normalize, we believe that pent up demand will be activated and our margin will quickly recover. As a company, we are well prepared with strong and growing national footprint, growing community count and growing volume. Perhaps most importantly, our strong balance sheet and even stronger land banking relations afford us flexibility and opportunity to consider and execute upon thoughtful growth for our future. In that regard, we will focus on our manufacturing model and continue to use our land partnerships to grow with a focus on high returns on capital and on equity.

We will also continue to focus our pure play business model and reduce exposure to non core assets. We will continue to drive to just in time home site delivery and an asset light balance sheet. And as we complete our asset light transformation, we will continue to refine our platform and generate strong cash flow and return new capital to shareholders through dividend and stock buyback, while we also pursue strategic growth. With that, let me turn over to John.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Stewart has highlighted for you our strategy of being a consistent high volume homebuilding manufacturer. I'll further review this as I discuss our performance on sales pace, cost reduction and cycle time reduction along with the execution of our asset light land strategy for the first quarter. As noted, our overall first quarter sales pace of 4.1 homes per community per month was right in line with our start case of four point zero. This was accomplished with consistent starts and accurate cycle times, which determine the sales pace needed at each community.

Knowing the output of this production, our marketing and sales teams engaged with our machine to turn digital leads into appointments and then convert appointments into sales. Throughout each week, we evaluate leads, appointments and sales activity to measure if we are on track to achieve the needed pace. We continuously adjust to ensure we end the week not only with a targeted number of sales, but with the sales of the right homes. If a community falls short on pace in any given week, there's clear focus on taking action to course correct and get back on pace. To drive the needed level of quality appointments, we focus on improving the experience for our customers to achieve higher conversion rates versus the alternative of chasing more chocolate funnel leads, which increases marketing spend.

We believe our approach produces more qualified and motivated customer appointments, which we can convert into sales at higher conversion rates. During the quarter, as we move past the February, we did not see the seasonal pickup typically associated with the beginning of the spring selling season. So we continue to lean into our machine, focusing on converting leads and appointments and adjusting incentives as needed to maintain sales pace. These adjustments came in the form of mortgage rate buy downs, price reductions and closing cost assistance. In general, homebuyers in Florida and Texas, our two highest volume states, needed more help than most other markets around the country.

We needed more incentives in the Florida and Texas markets to assist buyers achieve mortgage payments they can afford as well as to offset both a slowing in migration environment and increase inventory. All markets around the country required incentives to assist buyers in the current home buying environment. In this challenged macro environment, we utilized one arm machine along with our dynamic pricing model to identify unsold homes nearing completion. Fundament are set for those homes and prices are established to achieve sales preventing the buildup of inventory. Accordingly, we ended the quarter with an average of about two unsold completed homes per community.

Our production team continued its strides of being an ever more highly efficient homebuilder. The disciplines of planning for and delivering consistent construction starts, designing efficient to build floor plans, deploying digitally enabled scheduling and quality control processes and a well trained construction management team all allow for the development of meaningful strategic partnerships with our entire supply chain. The continuous improvement of these strategic relationships with our trade partners is the core of how we drive down both construction costs and cycle time quarter after quarter. For the first quarter, our construction costs were lower by 1% from Q4 and decreased on a year over year basis by 2.5% to our lowest direct construction costs since Q3 of twenty twenty one. We expect this trend to continue for our second quarter and into the year.

Also in our first quarter, cycle time decreased on average by one day sequentially from Q4 down to one hundred and thirty seven calendar days on average for single family detached homes. This is a seventeen day or 11% decrease year over year. We also expect continued improvement in cycle time reduction for our second quarter. As Stuart discussed, the execution of our strategy of matching our sales pace to our production pace required sales incentives of 13% in the quarter, about 700 basis points above normal. Our trade partners know that we are doing this to maintain production levels, which they greatly benefit from.

Our trade partners work with us to reduce their operating costs and we needed to lower their margins. This is critical to our execution of reducing construction costs in each quarter. Let me address tariffs. We've been in discussions regarding the potential impacts of tariffs with our supply chain. These discussions all start with a review of margin reductions when our has already taken.

This leads to a constructive effort to identify alternative sourcing and material strategies. Additionally, we prepare our trade partners to absorb potential increases to their supply chain costs and intensive tariffs. To date, we have no impact to date, we have had no impact to our costs from tariffs and we will work closely with all our trade partners to further tariffs present themselves to mitigate and offset cost impacts. Similarly, with respect to potential labor disruptions that could derive from immigration policy enforcement, our consistent high volume makes our construction a priority for our trade partners. Today, there's been no shortage of labor or impact to cycle time.

Again, our strategic trade partners appreciate the financial impact on our margins and maintaining our consistent high volume, and we expect to be as well positioned as possible should any disruptions prevent themselves. As Stuart addressed and as Diane will provide further details, we have further executed on our after life strategy with the mill list spend. Post Mill Roads, we ended the quarter with our supply of owned homesites improvement to zero point two years, down from one point three years and controlled home site percentage increasing to 98% from 77% a year ago. During the quarter, land banks acquired on our behalf about 29,000 homesites for about $1,800,000,000 and a commitment of about $1,100,000,000 in land development. We purchased during the quarter from our various land banks.

Lembeh partners almost 15,000 homesites for about $1,600,000,000 Operationally, our production first discipline of even flow starts allows for the planning and consistency of takedowns from land banks, providing for efficiencies in the operations of land management by both our land bank partners and ourselves. As we move forward, we are focusing on refining the efficiencies in and around the coordination of just in time land acquisitions by our land partners and us with the commencement of land development and or home construction. These improvements in the execution of all of our operating strategies enable capital and production efficiencies leading to an improving inventory churn, which now stands at 1.7 versus 1.5 last year, a 13% increase. In our second quarter, we will continue to refine the execution of one of our marketing and sales machine, our even flow high volume production and all land acquisition and development activities to be even more operationally and capital efficient. I also want to extend a welcome to our Rausch Coleman associates for the Lennar family and thank all of our Lennar associates for their hard work, focus and dedication.

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. So Stuart and John have provided a great deal of color regarding our operating performance. So therefore, I'm going to spend a few minutes summarizing balance sheet highlights and then provide estimates for the second quarter. So starting with the balance sheet. This quarter, once again, we were highly focused on turning our inventory and generating cash by pricing homes to market conditions.

The result of these actions was that we ended the quarter with $2,300,000,000 of cash and no borrowings on our $3,000,000,000 revolving credit facility. This provided total liquidity of approximately 5,300,000,000 As noted, during our first quarter, we completed the distribution of shares of Millrose Properties to our shareholders. As a result, we spun off from our balance sheet $5,600,000,000 of land, representing 87,000 homesites and $1,000,000,000 of cash. With this strategic transaction, we completed the next milestone in our journey of becoming a land light just in time manufacturer of homes and established a provider of recyclable cash for the future. In addition, we also completed the acquisition of the homebuilding operations of Rausch, Kohn and Holmes, which extended our footprint into both new and existing markets.

As a result of the Milrose and Rausch transaction, we ended the quarter owning 13,000 homesites and controlling 533,000 homesites for a total of 546,000 homesites. As John noted, this translated into our years owned supply improving two point two years and our homesites controlled increasing to 98%, our lowest years owned and highest controlled percentage in our history. We believe this portfolio of home sites provides us with a strong competitive position to continue to grow market share and scale in a capital efficient way. As we look at ratios, our inventory churn was 1.7 times and our return on inventory was almost 30%. During the quarter, we started approximately 17,700 homes and ended the quarter with approximately 38,300 homes in inventory.

This inventory number includes approximately 3,100 homes that were completed unsold, which is about two homes per community well within our target historical range. Turning to our debt position, we had no redemptions or repurchases of senior notes this quarter. Our net debt maturity of $500,000,000 is not until May 2025. Our homebuilding debt to total capital was 8.9%, including the impact of the Mill Road spin off. Consistent with our commitment to increasing total shareholder returns, we repurchased 5,200,000.0 of our outstanding shares for $7.00 3,000,000 and we paid dividends totaling $132,000,000 This was, of course, in the distribution to the Mill Road's shares.

Our stockholders' equity was just under $23,000,000,000 and our book value per share was about $86 In summary, the strength of our balance sheet provides us with significant confidence and financial flexibility as we progress through 2025. So with that brief overview, I'd like to turn to Q2 and provide some guidance estimates. Starting with new orders. We expect Q2 new orders to be in the range of 22,500 to 23,500 homes as we match sales and production paces. We anticipate our Q2 deliveries to be in the range of 19,500 to 20,500 miles with a continued focus on turning inventory into cash.

Our Q2 average sales price on those deliveries should be about $390,000 to $400,000 as we continue to price to market to meet affordability. We expect our gross margin to be approximately 18%, which excludes purchase accounting depending on market conditions. Margin is impacted by our use of incentives as a bridge to customers and affordably priced homes. Our SG and A percentage should be in the range of 8% to 8.2% to maintain sales activity. For the combined homebuilding joint venture land sales and other categories, we expect a loss of about $15,000,000 We anticipate our financial services earnings to be in the range of $135,000,000 to $145,000,000 For our multifamily segment, we expect to be about breakeven for the quarter.

Then turning to Lennar Other, we expect a loss of between $25,000,000 to $30,000,000 excluding the impact of any potential mark to market adjustments for our public technology investments. Q2 corporate G and A should be about 2% of total revenue, and our foundation contribution will be based on $1,000 per home delivered. We expect our Q2 tax rate to be approximately 25.3% and the weighted average share count should be approximately $261,000,000 shares. And so on a combined basis, these estimates should produce an EPS range of approximately $1.8 to $2 per share for the quarter. With that, let me turn it over to the operator.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session of today's conference call. We ask that you limit your questions to one question and one follow-up until all the questions have been answered. Our first question comes from Stephen Kim from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thanks a lot guys. Appreciate all the color. And I guess my first question relates to the long term, whatever the normalized margin that you referred to. I think you Stuart, you're referring to the gross margin of kind of the mid-20s.

And I was wondering if you could give us a sense for what the operating margin might be after corporate expense. I assume corporate expense, you're thinking maybe longer term like 1.5% or something like that. But it'd be helpful to understand what you think the normalized operating margin would be? And what do you think the path looks like to get your SG and A and corporate combined down from its current elevated level?

I think that across the board, Steve, that you're really looking at efficiencies that are being brought to all elements of the business, especially in the wake of having spun Melrose and some of the activity that just had to take place as we went through what was a time intensive program. I think that all parts of our business are being relooked at and re rationalized. The simple math that I did was basically around the abnormally high level of incentives that are out there in the market right now to get to the volumes that enable us to realize on the efficiencies that we think will ultimately get. So I had figured out what I think that normalized bottom line operating margin is going to be, But it's significantly higher than where we are right now, where we're basically having to incentivize affordability at a very elevated level.

Okay. But it's fair to say though that you don't think that a 10% to 11% combined SG and A and corporate rate is sort of the normalized level going forward, right?

No, we do not. We actually think that as we get more and more focused on the new version of the way that we're configured, Every part of our business will come under efficiency focus. And it starts with elements of the land side of our business, the land acquisition side of our business, the operating side that we've talked about, the corporate side, everything becomes simpler as we move forward. It's just going to take some time to embed that.

Yes. Stephen, I guess I would just say, if you go back to kind of like 2023, our SG and A was probably around 7% versus 8% now. So I think that gives you a little bit of a framework. And our corporate G and A was about 1.5% versus 2%. The only thing I say there is that we do continue to invest in technology.

We see that being a very important component. So that one's a little tougher to call, but agree with Stuart. I think that we're in a more elevated mode now than we will be in the future.

Yes. No, it's encouraging. I guess my second question is a broader one and it relates to how you've determined what the sales pace is that you wanted to build you want to build your platform to deliver. Obviously demand has been running below that pace, hence the incentives and all. But you've expressed the view that demand is ultimately going to normalize higher and that your margins will normalize once that happens.

But an alternative view might be that this is the normal level of demand. And it's been kind of a while now that the demand has been a little disappointing. And so I'm curious as how long is Lennar going to tolerate subpar margins before you begin to question if maybe the machine is built to maybe it ought to be built to a lower level of volume than what you chose to build it, let's say, a year or two ago?

Well, interesting question. I think that we clearly live in a dynamic world in the housing world. The question of what normalized demand is, is something that we're going to reassess as we move forward. As we're looking at things right now, it's really very much at the community level. And for the communities that we have, we think we're looking or we know we're looking at an absorption rate that we think over time is a normalized absorption rate.

Will that change? We'll have to wait and see. But if we think through the math of where the housing market is, we keep going back to the fact that we've been under producing any notion of normalized production for the past ten to fifteen years. And so we think that the underlying demand relative to the population and relative to where production has been, leaves us in a supply shortage. And so it's our belief that right now with interest rates where they are, with affordability and inflation having affected affordability.

We think that the market is undersupplied and that the demand levels and the embedded demand levels are much higher than what is actionable right now. And so that's what we're solving too. Might we change our mind as we go forward as the market evolves, as immigration questions come up and other questions come up? We'll have to wait and

I would just add to Stuart's comment that as each new normal presents itself in the future, our machine is very clear and we have the ability to focus on adjusting it rather quickly throughout the platform.

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