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Good morning. My name is Jamie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the EMCOR Group Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's prepared remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star and one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Lucas Sullivan, Director, Financial Planning and Analysis. Mr. Sullivan, you may begin.

Thanks, Jamie. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to EMCOR's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. For those of you joining us by webcast, we are at the beginning of our slide presentation that will accompany our remarks today. This presentation will be archived in the investor relations section of our website at emcorgroup.com. With me today are Tony Guzzi, our Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Jason Nalbandian, Senior Vice President and EMCOR's Chief Financial Officer, and Maxine Mauricio, Executive Vice President, Chief Administrative Officer, and General Counsel. For today's call, Tony will provide comments on our fourth quarter, full year, and discuss our RPOs. Jason will review the fourth quarter and full year numbers, then turn it back to Tony to discuss our guidance before we open it up for Q&A.

Before we begin, a quick reminder that this presentation and discussion contains certain forward-looking statements and may contain certain non-GAAP financial information. Slide two of our presentation describes in detail these forward-looking statements and the non-GAAP financial information disclosures. I encourage everyone to review both the disclosures in conjunction with our discussion and accompanying slides. Finally, as a reminder, all financial information discussed during this morning's call is included in our consolidated financial statements within both our earnings press release issued this morning and in our Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, let me turn the call over to Tony. Tony?

Yeah. Thanks, Lucas. Good morning, welcome to our Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. I'm gonna speak briefly to the fourth quarter in my opening comments, we'll focus my introductory remarks on what drove our continued success in 2025. I'm gonna start on pages four through five of our earnings presentation. We had an excellent close to the year with our fourth quarter results. In the fourth quarter, we generated revenues of $4.5 billion, which represents 19.7% growth. We earned adjusted earnings per share of $7.19 per diluted share, a 13.8% increase from 2024, delivered adjusted operating income of $440 million, a 13.1% increase from 2024. We did this while achieving strong adjusted operating margins of 9.7%.

Our adjusted results for the fourth quarter exclude the gain on the sale of our U.K. business and the transaction costs related to such sale. For the full year, our adjusted results include these items as well as the transaction costs incurred in the first quarter due to the acquisition of the Miller Electric Company. By any measure, 2025 was a tremendous year for us. We had record revenues of nearly $17 billion and record adjusted full-year operating margin of 9.4%, and at the high end of our guidance range. We also had a record adjusted diluted earnings per share of $25.87 per share, an increase of 20% from 2024. With operating cash flow of $1.3 billion, we continued our exceptional record of cash conversion.

Our success once again demonstrates our ability to execute with discipline across our business as we drive innovation and efficiency to achieve exceptional outcomes for our customers. We have delivered sustained, strong results despite the fact that we are working on the most technically sophisticated, fast-paced, and demanding projects in our history. We had a great year. We enjoyed delivering for our customers and our shareholders. Notably, we earned full-year mechanical and Electrical Construction operating margins of 12.8% and 12.1%, respectively, demonstrating excellent execution across a diverse range of projects by size and market and geography. We did this while growing revenues of these segments by 10.1% and 51.8%, respectively.

We achieved a 6% operating margin in our Building Services segment, driven by the underlying strength of our mechanical services business, which achieved high single-digit operating margins and 6% growth. Virtually all that growth was organic. Demand for this business remained strong, with a primary focus on after-market projects and retrofits, HVAC service and repair, building automation and controls upgrades and services, and indoor air quality and energy efficiency projects. We remained well-positioned with our Industrial Services segment to serve a rebounding oil and gas industry. We divested our U.K. business to focus on our U.S. operations. We found EMCOR UK a great strategic home and achieved a very strong result in the sale for our shareholders. We acquired Miller Electric, which is the largest acquisition in EMCOR history.

The integration is on track, our leadership and values are aligned. Miller will serve as a great platform for growth in the Southeast and Texas. In addition to Miller, we acquired nine other companies across our Mechanical Construction and Building Services segments. Collectively, these platform-enhancing acquisitions will help us to better serve our customers. We repurchased almost $600 million in shares and increased our quarterly dividend to $0.40 per share. This return of cash to shareholders, coupled with our organic investment and acquisitions, affirms our balanced capital allocation strategy. We maintained our sterling balance sheet that allows for continued organic and acquisition growth. We maintained our industry-leading safety record in this demanding and complex environment, with a TRI under one for the second year in a row.

We earned inclusion into the S&P 500, and we were recognized by Fortune as the number one most admired company in the engineering construction industry. We built our RPO to $13.25 billion from $10.1 billion, despite our record revenues. That's quite a year, right? Congratulations to our team, and thank you for a great 2025. I'm now gonna go to page six. These RPOs, which I will now highlight, 0.2% year-over-year and 17.6% organically. On a sequential basis, RPOs have increased at 5.1% since September or 3.6% organically.

Driven by demand in our data center business, RPOs within the network and communications totaled a record $4.46 billion at the end of December, an increase of $1.65 billion, or nearly 60% year-over-year. We see no change in the momentum of the CapEx plans from our customers in this sector, and we have good visibility for the next two to three years as we work to support their buildup. Institutional RPOs have increased by just under $440 million, or 40% to $1.55 billion, largely as we continue to see demand for our services within the education sector, including from a number of colleges and universities. Manufacturing and industrial RPOs have increased by $201 million, or 23%, to $1.1 billion.

As I mentioned last quarter, in addition to project awards driven by customers onshoring and reshoring initiatives, growth in this sector has also benefited from certain food processing projects within our Mechanical Construction segment, as well as a renewable energy project in our Industrial Services segment. Led by our Mechanical Construction segment, water and wastewater RPOs have increased by $408 million, or nearly 60% to $1.1 billion, as we continue to win projects throughout Florida. Due to select project opportunities, RPOs within the hospitality and entertainment have more than doubled year-over-year. I'm now gonna turn to page seven because I think it's important to look at some of the longer-term trends and what's really growing, driving our growth over a sustained period of time, and also to highlight our diversity of demand.

Now go to page seven, let's take a minute. I want you to focus your eyes on the middle of this page. In this middle of this page, you'll see where we were on the left-hand bar at 12/30/2019, right before COVID. We were about $4.036 billion in RPOs, I want you to focus your eyes on that royal blue bar or dark blue bar, that's our network and communications business. I want you to look over at 12/31/2025. Those network and communications RPOs are about $4.4 billion today, which is greater than our total RPOs at the end of 12/31/2019. Look at the total number of $13.254 billion and realize that we have grown everything else by over $8.5 billion.

Now I want you to come over to the left side of the page, and I want you to look at some of these long-term growth trends. I'm gonna spend a little bit of time, and we've already done that with the near term commentary. High tech manufacturing on a compound annual growth rate, and that's an in and out of a major project, but from where we started in 12/31/2019, which had some semiconductor work in it and pharma work in it, to where we are today, has grown by a compound annual growth rate of 48%, and we remain very bullish on this market. With the demand for semiconductor chips, the reshoring of pharma, the growth in GLP-1 drugs and what's gonna happen there, and just in general, what has been reshored in high tech and what's gonna continue to grow.

48% compound annual growth. Right above that is network and communications. We thought we had a great data center business in 2019. We went from having a very strong data center business to a terrific data center business. I'm not gonna say we're the only ones that can do data center work at scale, but we're the only ones that can operate in about 17 markets electrically, and we're doing about seven markets now mechanically, and we're one of the only ones that can cover the whole country on fire life safety projects in the data center business. Look at healthcare, 23%. That is a stable market for EMCOR.

It's been one of our long-term markets, and it is complex to build a high-rise hospital as it is a data center, and that's why our electricians and our pipe fitters can move between those sectors so easily, between high tech manufacturing, network and communication, and really industrial work. They can move between those, and we do that. Institutional is up 20%. That was actually a surprise to us when we went back and looked at the compound annual growth rate in institutional across that sector. Water and wastewater is a great market for us, mainly in Florida. 24% compound annual, driven by consent decrees from the EPA, driven by just growth in Florida, and driven by updating technology in these large wastewater plants.

Transportation, as you talk about mixed management, we have decided to de-emphasize the transportation market, especially the electrical roadway market. It takes a while to get out, but that will continue to drop unless a big airport or a project like that comes in, and that would be then balancing against these other markets. I love the bottom. Commercial is a GDP grower. It's pretty good considering the engine office has happened over this period. Look at the short duration projects. To me, that's a sign of what's going on across all the markets, especially in the build space, and that contains some commercial work, that contains some institutional work, that contains some manufacturing work. These are projects that are gonna last less than five months and typically have a ticket size of somewhere between $50,000 and $500,000.

That's. Then you put on top of that, the big service space we have in EMCOR across our fire life safety projects, across our mechanical service pro business, and across even our day two electrical work. What allows you to have that kind of compound annual growth across that sustained period of time? These are in no particular order. First of all, you got to be where your customers are. You have to be able to meet them where they are, you have to have national reach, you have to have the geographic footprint, but that's not enough. You can have a geographic footprint that can't execute. You have to have opportunistically travel. You don't just travel to travel. We're not gonna be the contractor that uses a labor broker and places labor around the country.

For the most part, when we travel, we're traveling in our construction business with very strong union, journeymen and commercial wiremen and others that can move around the country and check into the union, and we draw from that. We're an employer of choice, and that is driven by the strong field leadership we have at the local level. We've got the technical expertise. We have great prefabrication capability, VDC capability that we use to work across these sectors. Really, the VDC we use today in our data center business, and the VDC we use today in our high-tech manufacturing, was really honed in the healthcare sector over 20 years ago. We have a great reputation and safety record. It's really a hallmark of who we are and why we continue to attract the best trade labor.

Our customers want us to do the work for them. One of the benefits of scale to us is we can train, we can share means and methods, and we can share best practices across our country. And that allows us to have very strong acquisition pipelines over a sustained period of time and allows us to make the right smart growth organic investments. I think this page is something that really is a hallmark of our company, and I think this page is really what we have built together with that. Our capital allocation strategy, which is on page 14, coupled with what is on page seven, is what we get paid for to do to build a company that has great diversity of demand, can take advantage of the end markets in many cases, and then build a sustainable compounding record of success.

With that, Jason, I'll turn it over to you.

Thank you, Tony. Good morning, everyone. Before we dive into our results for the fourth quarter, I thought it made sense to step back and take a look at how we performed for the full year, which is summarized on slide eight. In 2025, we earned revenues of $16.99 billion, operating income of $1.71 billion, an operating margin of 10.1%, and diluted earnings per share of $28.19. When excluding the transaction costs incurred in connection with both the acquisition of Miller Electric and the sale of EMCOR UK, as well as the gain on sale of EMCOR UK, we are a non-GAAP operating income of $1.59 billion, operating margin of 9.4%, and diluted earnings per share of $25.87, all of which were records for EMCOR.

We performed extremely well in 2025, benefiting from some of the best execution in our history and a favorable mix of work, both of which allowed us to deliver a full year operating margin at the high end of the guidance we previously provided and in excess of our expectations when we began the year. If we turn to slide nine, I'll now review the operating performance for each of our segments during the quarter, starting with revenues. $4.5 billion represents a quarterly record for EMCOR, with revenues increasing 19.7% or 9.5% organically. Revenues of U.S. Electrical Construction were a quarterly record of $1.36 billion, increasing 45.8% due to a combination of strong organic growth and the acquisition of Miller.

Similar to recent quarters, the most significant growth in this segment was generated from our data center projects within the network and communications market sector, where revenues increased nearly 50% year-over-year. While this represents the greatest increase during the quarter, almost all other sectors experienced growth. Healthcare, institutional, and hospitality and entertainment represent the next three largest increases in addition to greater small project volumes. I think the best way to summarize this segment's performance in the quarter is that half of its growth came from data centers, and half of its growth came from strength in the underlying or more traditional business. Once again, this highlights our diversity of demand. Moving to U.S. Mechanical Construction, revenues of $1.94 billion increased 17%, establishing a new quarterly record for this segment.

Similar to electrical, due to greater demand for data center construction projects, this segment saw the largest increase from the network and communications market sector, where quarterly revenues grew nearly 80% year-over-year. Sticking with my earlier comment regarding broad-based demand, Mechanical Construction experienced quarterly revenue increases in eight out of the 11 sectors that we track, with the only meaningful decrease coming from high-tech manufacturing. Notably, manufacturing and industrial, including food processing, was up just over 50%, institutional was up 55%, and commercial increased 17%, as we are starting to see resumption in warehousing demand. As we've discussed throughout the year, although we are still executing off a higher base, the decrease in high-tech manufacturing is a result of the completion of certain semiconductor projects.

On a combined basis, our construction segments generated revenues of $3.3 billion, an increase of 27.4%. Looking next at U.S. Building Services, revenues of $772.5 million reflect a 2.2% increase, all of which was organic. This marks the third quarter of revenue growth since the loss of the site-based contracts that we've previously referenced, and this performance was driven by our mechanical services division, which increased revenues by nearly 5% due to strength across each of their service lines, including projects and retrofits, repair service maintenance, and building automation and controls. Turning to our Industrial Services segment, revenues of $341.1 million have increased 9.1%.

In the quarter, we experienced a more robust turnaround schedule, including the execution of certain projects that were delayed from Q3 to Q4, which led to increased revenues from both our field and shop services operations. This segment benefited from progress made on a large solar project, which is currently in process. For the two months prior to the sale on December 1st, U.K. Building Services generated fourth quarter revenues of $95.3 million. Let's turn to Slide 10 for operating income. For the fourth quarter, we generated operating income of $573.8 million, or 12.7% of revenues. When adjusting for the transaction expenses and the gain on sale of EMCOR UK, we are a non-GAAP operating income of $439.6 million, a quarterly record for EMCOR.

This performance resulted in an exceptional 9.7% non-GAAP operating margin, the highest we achieved in any quarter this year. Looking at each of our segments, Electrical Construction had operating income of $173.1 million, a 17% increase. As a result of its revenue growth, the segment experienced greater gross profit across the majority of the market sectors in which we operate, resulting in an increase in operating income to a record level. While down from the record 15.8% earned in last year's fourth quarter, this segment's operating margin of 12.7% remained well above its historical average and was in line with our expectations, particularly when compared against a rolling 12-24 month average, which would imply a range of 12%-12.6% for the segment.

When adjusting for the impact of incremental intangible asset amortization, gross profit margin of the segment remained relatively consistent year-over-year, reflecting the overall strength of our execution and project portfolio. Contributing to the unfavorable comparison and operating margin was an unusually low SG&A margin in last year's fourth quarter, due to the timing and recognition of certain expenses in the prior year. Operating income for Mechanical Construction increased by 13.6% to a quarterly record of $250.5 million. While slightly below that of the prior year's quarter, operating margin of 12.9% was equivalent to the third quarter of this year as we continued to execute well.

From an end market standpoint, we saw greater gross profit across many of the sectors in which we operate, with the largest increases generally tracking in line with the revenue fluctuations I previously mentioned. Together, our construction segments grew operating income by nearly 15% and earned a combined operating margin of 12.8%. U.S. Building Services generated operating income of $41.3 million, a modest increase over the prior year, and operating margin was a consistent 5.4%. Moving to Industrial Services, this segment's revenue growth, coupled with 30 basis points of operating margin expansion due to better absorption, resulted in a 21.1% increase in operating income. Lastly, U.K. Building Services delivered break-even performance during the quarter, as $3.7 million of underlying operating income was entirely offset by transaction-related costs, which were expensed within the U.K.

Let's move to slide 11. I'll cover a few quarterly highlights that were not included on the previous pages. Gross profit of $891.2 million has increased by 17.7%, and our gross profit margin for the quarter was an outstanding 19.7%. SG&A was $462.3 million, or 10.2% of revenues. Included in SG&A for the quarter were $10.7 million of transaction expenses related to the sale of EMCOR UK, which impacted SG&A margin by 20 basis points. Accounting for half of the remaining increase in SG&A was $35.2 million of incremental expenses from acquired companies and $6.2 million of additional amortization expense.

Excluding these items, SG&A grew by $41.8 million, almost entirely due to employment costs, given both greater headcount to support our organic growth, as well as increased incentive compensation expense in certain of our segments, given the higher annual operating results. Finally, on this page, diluted earnings per share were $9.68, or $7.19 on an adjusted basis, which represents an increase of 13.8% year-over-year. We quickly turn to slide 12, with $1.1 billion of cash on hand, our balance sheet positions us well to continue to deliver on our philosophy of balanced capital allocation, which includes organic investment, strategic acquisitions, and returning cash to shareholders.

Our commitment to this model is further demonstrated by the recent increase in our dividend of 60% and the incremental $500 million of authorization under our share repurchase program. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately $155 million worth of our shares, bringing our year-to-date repurchases to roughly $580 million. We executed against our M&A pipeline, utilizing over $1 billion on acquisitions during the year, including an additional $122 million in Q4. Finally, on this page, we had operating cash flow of $524.4 million during the quarter, or $1.3 billion for the full year, representing conversion in excess of 80% of operating income when adjusting for the gain on sale of EMCOR UK. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Tony.

Thanks, Jason. I'm gonna close on pages 13 and 14. As discussed, we're well positioned to continue to deliver excellent results in 2026. We expect to earn revenues of $17.75 billion-$18.5 billion and achieve diluted earnings per share from $27.25-$29.25, with a full year operating margin of between 9% and 9.4%. As we set guidance, and I have stated this many times over the years, we have always thought about it the following way: From the low end to the midpoint, we have a high degree of confidence that we will deliver that outcome absent a major economic event.

From the midpoint to the high end of our range, we need to execute very well from a margin standpoint, and we need to book 40%-45% of new work to allow us to hit the mid-to-high point of our revenue range. Easily said, the better our margins, the higher our revenue, the more we move to the higher end of our range. As we look at the composition of our RPOs, we begin the year with a strong mix of work, with estimated gross margins in line with those experienced over the last two years. We have a strong foundation across diverse geographies and sectors. At this time, we see no slowing of demand from most of our end markets and continue to see exceptional prospects in our data center markets.

As we move into 2026, we need to keep leveraging our training, VDC, fabrication, and project planning and delivery capabilities. We must not only continue to incrementally improve, but also innovate in our internal processes and delivery. We must also continue to protect ourselves through careful contract negotiation, execution, and compliance. We deliver for our customers, and we continue to do so, but we also strive to protect our rights as we deliver these complex projects. We will always face some macroeconomic challenge of some kind and some headwinds, but our team has excelled at overcoming these challenges over a very long period of time. I do believe that we are an employer of choice because of our excellence in field leadership, from our frontline foremen, superintendents, project managers, and executives, to our subsidiary and segment leadership.

We will continue to execute a balanced capital allocation strategy focused on organic investment, strategic acquisitions, and returning cash to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends, which we show on page 14. Our balanced capital allocation strategy has provided the foundation for our compounding record of success over the last 10-15 years. As I close, I want to thank my teammates. I appreciate all you do for EMCOR every day and for our customers, and appreciate the safe and productive way you execute our work. With that, Jamie, I'll turn the call over to you for questions.

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and one using a touch-tone telephone. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. If you are using a speakerphone, we do ask that you please pick up your handset prior to pressing the keys to ensure the best sound quality. Once again, that is star and then one to join the question queue. Our first question today comes from Brent Thielman from D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead with your question.

Tony or Jason, if you could comment just on some of the initiatives that compressed margins a bit last quarter, 3Q. I think you moved into some new territories that caused a little pressure there. Like, what lingering impact may have that had in the fourth quarter, if any, and are you sort of beyond that at this stage here in 2026?

You know, you always have to be careful to say we're beyond that, 'cause we're starting projects all the time, and we execute really well, and we write projects up, we write them down. On balance, I think the headwinds we've experienced in that particular market are behind us now, and we had a little bit of that spill over into the fourth quarter. Some of it also is just mix of work. We didn't finish as much fixed price work in our electrical segment as we did the year before, and we started some work that was more target price or GMP. You know, hopefully, we'll convert some of that to fixed price, but we don't know that. The underlying margins in the business, which you can see from our gross margins, is pretty strong.

Yeah, I would echo what Tony said. The only thing I would add to that, right, is, I tried to say this in my prepared remarks: If you look at the gross profit margin for electrical and you adjust for the amortization impact, it performed relatively consistent year-over-year. Any impacts that we did have from those project startups was offset by just execution within the segment.

Brett, you can see it in our numbers, right? Are we a little disappointed we coughed up 50 or 60 basis points this year in electrical operationally? Sure, we are. Some of the headwind was from amortization. That's not a cash expense. You know, when you look over a 12-24 month period, that's a pretty good snapshot of our margins. We expect to operate somewhere mid to low 12s to 14% or so electrically, and mid to low 12s, so, at 13.5% or so mechanically, and it's gonna bounce around there. If we could operate this business between 12.5% and 13.5% on a sustained basis across our construction segments, I think we'd be pretty pleased with that.

Yep. Okay. Tony, maybe just to follow up, I mean, an interesting chart there on slide seven. On the network communications data center side, you talked about good visibility here for the next two to three years. I think it'd be hard to dispute that. Maybe one of the questions that oftentimes comes up is just, like, your regional exposure.

Are you do you see yourself having to move into different regions to get more of this work? Maybe you could just talk about what's happening, where you're already at, where you're positioned today, that you guys are gonna continue to support that segment?

Yeah, I mean, I'd have to go through several markets electrically. The way I look at it is, we have a solid position in the Midwest. We'd like to make that a little bit stronger in some of the markets. We think we can do that either through acquisition investment or organic growth. Arizona, we continue to build that out. We've just built a better position mechanically in Arizona, that we look to take advantage of it. Electrically, we moved into that market two years ago, and we're starting to hit full ramp right now. Texas, we're pretty strong. Mechanically, we'll take some of our first significant jobs in Texas, and there's a mixed management decision, right? We had that capability there doing semiconductor work.

We'll continue to do some of that. Quite frankly, we think some of the rural data center work is better for us to do. It allows us to sort of get more productivity in our prefab shops also by doing that. We invested ahead of that. The semiconductor work we did there in a lot of ways, was the beachhead to participate more broadly in the market, especially in the data center market, mechanically. Electrically, we have a very good position in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. We'll look to expand out of that. Atlanta, we have a very strong position mechanically. We have a secondary position electrically. We'll look to continue to strengthen that. The Carolinas, we're pretty strong, both mechanically and electrically, more so mechanically, but still pretty strong electrically.

Northern Virginia, quite frankly, we're terrific, both mechanically and electrically. As you get to Oregon, we're very strong electrically. We will continue. Iowa, very strong electrically. We will continue to round out that capability. You can tell we're in more markets electrically than mechanically. Some of that is, we found it advantageous to be able to take our electricians that were very skilled in our management teams and doing, you know, something to steel mill work at one time, and they've proven to be very good data center builders also.

We've been able to take that skill from some of our companies and move it to others, and it takes about 18 months to ramp them up to get to full production, where, you know, they can hit the kind of margins our traditional data center companies have mechanically. There's no real reason some of that we haven't expanded as much, it's just the footprint of where we are and what it takes mechanically to build the capability because of the prefab and all the other things are a little more extensive. In fire life safety, we can cover the entire market, and we do.

Got it. Appreciate that, Tony. Just last one, I mean, your balance sheet, you sort of have a war chest here. How do you think about, like, total excess liquidity here, assuming you want to keep some level of cash on the balance sheet, also understand your revolver's untapped? Just thoughts there. Seems like you can do a lot here.

Yeah. I'll hit a macro level on that, and then Jason will get into some specifics about what, like, cash we'd probably like to have on hand. I think in general, we're never gonna have a highly leveraged balance sheet on a sustained basis. To think of who we're working for, one of our competitive differentiators, especially on this large project work, is we're not a leveraged company. Think about the hyperscalers, they're not looking to do business with leveraged companies. It's also, when you look to the bonding line, it's a nice ability to be able to have a surety bond without question when you need it, and we've had that luxury.

We also would be willing to lever up for the right acquisitions or series of acquisitions to go to 1-1.5 times, maybe two times, and then leverage back down to one times. What I wouldn't do is borrow a bunch of money to buy back stock. We like to do the buyback through excess liquidity, and if we're gonna borrow money, it's because we're building in or we're buying into an asset that's gonna return cash to us over an extended period of time. That's sort of macro level. Jason, maybe get to the specifics.

I would say if you go to that slide 14 that Tony referenced earlier, and you look at what we've done this year, last year, and even over the last 10 years, I think that's what our playbook looks like going forward, right? It continues to be a balanced approach towards capital allocation. We think we have a strong M&A pipeline as we move into next year. We'll continue to return capital to shareholders, and you saw that in the repurchases this year, and you saw that in the increase in dividend. In terms of minimal cash balance for our balance sheet, you know, it's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 million-$400 million.

So obviously, our balance sheet positions us to continue to deploy cash strategically as we move into 2026.

Yeah, I think if you ask any of our management team down through the segment level, we would love to replicate 2025 here in 2026 and 2027. However, you've heard me say many times, deals happen when they happen. What we are going to do is maintain discipline. We're not gonna, you know, I think, you know, people on the line know me well enough to know this management team well enough, that we don't buy into hype, and we don't buy into frenzy. We have to believe there's a long, sustained business case for why we would do something, and we have to believe that we can add value. You know, our acquisition record is pretty darn good.

I always say, I'd never give anybody an A, but I'd give us a strong B plus over an extended period of time, we're gonna continue to do that. You know, we're not, you know, private equity guys, we're not averaging multiples down. We're looking to buy and build for the long term and build sustainable positions. How we got from some of these places to serve 17 electrical data center markets, is we bought companies that were in the business, and we're able to strengthen it through peer learning, transferring people for short periods of time to help it, and really doing a great job of taking our best practices and means and methods and sharing it across the company, especially as it comes to virtual design construct, VDC, BIM, and prefabrication. Okay.

Our next question comes from Adam Thalhimer from Thompson Davis. Please go ahead with your question.

Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on the strong quarter and the year.

Tony, I wanted to ask you first about RPOs, the 33% in network and communications. You know, obviously, some others in your space are even higher than that.

I'm just curious if that was a conscious decision on your part to stay more diversified, or if that reflects something else like geographic mix?

It's funny. I'll go to the second thing you said, it's geographic and sector mix. We're not passing up great data center opportunities 'cause we're doing the other work. However, we're not gonna go away from our existing customers. We have very strong companies in markets that have limited and no data center exposure. We have one of the best electrical contractors in the country in San Diego, that generates great returns, serves our customers well, does it through a mix of pharma and high tech manufacturing work, some defense work and healthcare work. There's not a data center opportunity there for them to do, but they are in returns that are as good or better than our segment averages.

We have a chunk of our business that exists just like that in places like California, some of the Intermountain states, some of the Midwestern towns. As you go to, like, something as specific as water and wastewater, we're not walking away from opportunities in Florida to do data centers, although the first ones are gonna get built, and we will participate in that. The teams that do that water and wastewater work are very specialized. Could they do chiller plant work and things like that? Sure. But they're very specialized on that customer base and in that product offering. Yeah, some of it's intentional. It's been intentional, Adam, beyond the last four or five years. It's been intentional over a very long period of time to build diversity of demand.

That being said, and I'll give you a great example, we had a very good industrial electrical contractor in the Midwest that are in middling returns for years, but very technically capable. When the opportunity presented itself in Northwest Indiana to do data center work, we were able to take some of our skill base on the supervision side and our estimating side, train the people there to do the work, estimate the work, and now they're one of the best data center builders we have. We have the ability to do that when the opportunity, and we create the opportunity, presents itself and our customers need us to do that. I'd say, yes, part of it has been intentional as a long-term strategy, but are we shooting to say we're only gonna do 33% data center work on RPOs?

Could be 40% for a part of a period of time, could be 45%, could go down to 30%. It's just the overall demand and the mix of work and margin we have out there.

Yeah. The only other thing I would add, too, just remember that for us, what we show as RPOs are the funded phases of a contract. If we're working at a data center campus where there's multiple buildings and we have even a verbal for the phase two, we're only showing that first phase in our RPO. Others may be doing it differently, which could skew percentages, but for us, this is funded, contracted work that we have in hand, and 82% of this will burn over the next 12 months.

Got it. Okay. You're saying if the outlook for data centers is strong, then don't be surprised if it goes to 40%-45%?

Yeah, it could. If you look at our electrical segment, where we've been able to get into 17 markets, it's 40%-50% on a sustain. I think it'll stay there for a while, may even go up a little bit. Because we have found that skill is the most. We have the most ability to take that electrical skill and translate that into other markets from other work that they have done.

Last one for me. I was curious on semiconductors, when the next wave of awards might be in that space?

We're seeing some of it now. They're just getting award into smaller chunks. We're very ingrained in one of the customers, two of the customers in Arizona, and we're also there in Arizona and the mountain states, fire life safety. I don't know if, you know, because you're already on site, I'm not sure you'll see the magnitude of the awards that we saw initially, because they can leave it out to us in pieces. I think that's an important delineation with us. We have a pretty good idea of the work we're gonna be doing there, which is some of that, 40%-45% we have to book in a year. Jason made a really important point, right? Everything we do goes back to GAAP, right?

Our RPOs are funded contracts, signed purchase orders, a non-cancelable portion of a service agreement. That is different than some of our peers do things. We know that we may be at a data center site for two or three years. We're pretty sure the buildings we're gonna get, but, A, the work isn't contracted to us yet, and so therefore, we'll plan for it. We certainly, in a, in a semiconductor site, we know that maybe two years ago, we might have got a $150 million award, and it's gonna look like that $150 million award again.

They're letting it out to us for $30 million-$50 million a time because they know that that's how their funding is going to work, and that's how they did the actual contract for that piece of the work. We've been that way forever. It's a little different when you have these huge projects, and we just have chosen to stay very consistent and not guess at what the future holds and keep it to that kind of dimension. That's to say the same thing about our operating margin performance. The only thing to get added back here are hard things like transaction costs, like the sale of the U.K. or a significant impairment. We have restructuring going on in the business all the time, where we're, you know, restructuring subsidiaries. We don't do that.

We don't try to, you know, add back amortization. We figure our investors are smart enough to do that themselves. It's a non-cash expense. We figure once we go down that rabbit hole, we become adjusted on adjusted on adjusted, and we just chose to stay pure to the GAAP numbers, both for RPOs and operating income and revenue recognition. Jason?

The numbers are very clean. We appreciate that. I'll turn it over. Thanks, guys.

We appreciate it sometimes because you salivate over other people that have 5%-

I can't speak for everybody else. I appreciate it.

Our next question comes from Brian Brophy from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question.

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, everybody. Appreciate you taking the question. Your data center work's been growing a bit faster on the mechanical side than on the electrical side for a few quarters now. Can you talk about what are the drivers behind that? Do you expect that to sustain itself in the next or this year? Thanks.

It could. It could, because we've first with the basis, right, in comparison to the segment. We've opened up a couple of new markets on the data center side. Also, I think one of the growth areas in that is it's a little different on the scope. We're benefiting more from the AI data center, even though we're building the AI data centers electrically. The scope doesn't increase as much, going from a 100 megawatt cloud storage data center to a 200 megawatt AI data center on the electrical side, but on the mechanical side, it can be a 1.5 to two times multiplier on the mechanical systems that will go in. What's interesting about that in either cases, that usually include the major end equipment.

Yeah. I think Tony's point on the base is very important as well, right? mechanical is up more on a percentage basis, but on a dollar basis, electrical grew $1 billion this year, mechanical grew $850 million. electrical is still growing more in terms of dollar. It's just off a larger base, gives you a smaller %.

I think one way to look at it, too, electrically, we, about two years ago, established ourselves as more of a national player in data centers. Mechanically, I would still say we're still a super regional player in data centers. You may see that growth because of the base and how we're continuing to penetrate new markets mechanically. It takes a little longer to penetrate mechanically, and we're starting to see some of the investments return to us now from what we made two or three years ago, mechanically.

Thank you. That's helpful. Then, and then related, I think you mentioned 17 electrical markets on the data center side, you're up to now seven mechanical, and it's grown nicely over time. Where can that go over time?

I actually don't know. I think we'll stop counting soon because they're now becoming. Do you start counting the state of Ohio versus the four submarkets in Ohio and things like that? Do you take the state of Indiana versus the two or three submarkets? I think, the way I think about it is, we're now starting to build scale in some critical infrastructure places. If you think about how this has happened and why it's happened, it's because it's been this quest for power, right? Quest for stranded power. That's how that's how our great industrial electrical got into the data center business in Indiana because they went and chased the stranded power from the steel mills and auto plants that had been there before.

You know, you think about that over time, there's still stranded power out there. That should keep. That's why we say two to three year, pretty good outlook, because our customers are telling us that, and they may even be a little bit beyond that. They feel pretty good, maybe a little longer, but we're contractors, we always discount that back a little bit. I will say this, the markets are now dependent on where they can get power in place. My gut is there'll be a couple more markets added, and then in the markets they're in, they're gonna start to build even more density, just like they did in Northern Virginia, right outside of Columbus, Ohio, what they've done in Chicago, what they've done in Arizona. They built in Atlanta.

They're building density in those markets. They do that for a reason. In Dallas, they do that for a reason because they think there's a good view on power in the long term, and also the connections there are really, really good. The latency becomes important in some of those major metro areas for the knowledge workers long term. Do I understand how the latency works and everything? Not really, but that's how it all works, you know, when you put it all together. It'll go up, but it's not gonna grow like it did because then now they're starting to build critical mass in those markets.

Understood. I appreciate the color. Pass it on.

Our next question comes from Justin Hauke from Baird. Please go ahead with your question.

Yeah, great. I guess first one, I mean, you've talked about the fire life safety projects being strong for a while. I think you made some comments here about, you know, kind of the uniqueness of what you're doing on the data center specifically. Can you just elaborate a little bit more on your capabilities there? You know, how you're different in that market?

Are we different? Because I think we have some of the best. We have critical mass on design, and we have a very strong position with the road local in the UA for sprinkler fitters. If you take the business first and you think, take a step back, and those that have been with us for a while, be patient for a second as I answer this question. It's the one of the few trades, what we do, that the actual implementation of that part of the specification is a design build product. The way the specification is written, is it says, "Provide a fire life safety system in accordance with the code at both the national standard, their state and local standards." Our guys are experts at that.

What they do then is we design it, and then, the fire life safety has a fairly significant pre-fabrication component, and we have some pretty at scale fabrication shops to support our fire life safety business. For a union, other than 16 closed local, it's a road local that will travel. Our people can travel across the country, and it also tends to get connected, to think of another word, like LEGOs or Tinker. It's a connected system, and we prefab most of it in the shops. Finally, it has a nice aftermarket component, and we have a nice aftermarket business.

That is one of the places where if we build it, we have a pretty good shot at getting the long-term service agreement, post a building. It's a national business in scope. It's a design build business in scope on that specific trade. We have a great workforce, and we're at scale in that business, and probably as good as anybody else in that business. I'll never say we're the only ones, but one of the few that can operate on a national basis.

I appreciate more of the history lesson on that, so thank you for that. I guess my second one is, I guess, for Jason here, and it's just more of a model question, but the Danforth acquisition, obviously much smaller than Miller was, but, you know, I know it's gonna have an intangible component with it as well. Now that it's closed, you know, I think Miller, that was like $40 million for the year, that was kind of a drag. What's kind of the similar magnitude for Danforth, just so we can kind of think about what's running through?

I'll hit a couple of things on amortization first. If we look just at Danforth, in 2025, round numbers, it's about $2.7 million of amortization. In 2026, it's gonna be around $14.2 million. You got about $11.5 million of incremental amortization from Danforth in 2026. Just a refresher on Miller, we said in year one, so 2025, it'd be about $40.5 million of amortization. In 2026, it's gonna be about $33 million. You should see about $7.5 million drop off. If you just look across EMCOR, while we may have a little bit of amortization benefit in Electrical, it's gonna be offset in Mechanical. If you really net the two, it's near neutral.

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