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Caesars Entertainment owns and operates more than 50 properties in the U.S. The company’s brands include Harrah’s, the Tropicana, Eldorado, and its signature Caesars Palace resort in Las Vegas. In recent years Caesars has expanded into online betting, including sports betting, horse racing, and a branded casino app in states where it is legal. The current version of the company was formed after Eldorado Resorts acquired Caesars Entertainment Corporation for $17.3 billion in 2020. Eldorado then adopted the Caesars name. The company is helmed by members of the Carano family, who founded Eldorado Resorts.

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Good day, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Caesars Entertainment Inc. Twenty twenty five Second Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session.

Please be advised that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Brian Agnew, Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance, Treasury and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Kevin, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. Welcome to our conference call to discuss our second quarter twenty twenty five earnings. This afternoon, we issued a press release announcing our financial results for the period ended 06/30/2025. Copy of the press release is available in the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.caesars.com. Joining me on the call today are Tom Reeg, our Chief Executive Officer Anthony Carano, our President and Chief Operating Officer Brett Junker, our Chief Financial Officer Eric Hession, President of Caesar Sports and Online Gaming and Charisse Crumbly, Investor Relations.

Before I turn the call over to Anthony, I would like to remind you that during today's conference call, we may make certain forward looking statements under Safe Harbor federal securities laws, and these statements may or may not come true. Also during today's call, the company may discuss certain non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Please visit our press releases located on our Investor Relations website for a reconciliation of the differences between each non GAAP financial measure and the comparable GAAP financial measure. Also, just wanted to make mention, our Q2 investor presentation has been posted to our website, and I did just look and our 10 Q has now been posted as well. I'm going to pass the call over to Anthony.

Thank you, Brian, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. We delivered second quarter consolidated net revenues of $2,900,000,000 and adjusted EBITDAR of $955,000,000 During the second quarter, our digital segment delivered its best quarter ever, producing $80,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA, and our digital momentum continues to build toward the financial goals we originally laid out in 2021. Our Las Vegas segment posted solid results in the face of softer market demand in our hospitality vertical, but we remain encouraged by forward group pace in Q4 and the 2026. Regional revenues were up year over year, driven by the addition of two new properties and same store GGR growth resulting from strategic reinvestment in our Caesars Rewards customer database. Starting in our Las Vegas segment, we reported same store adjusted EBITDAR of $469,000,000 Results were driven by 97% occupancy versus 99% last year and essentially flat rates.

Our gaming vertical faced a difficult comparison to last year, which drove lower year over year table games volume and hold. During the quarter, the group room night mix was 15% and the segment is on track to deliver a record EBITDA year in 2025 due to our strong Q4 booking pace. Recent CapEx investments at Flamingo in Las Vegas, including a brand new pool experience, Pinkies by Lisa Vanderpump, Gordon Ramsey Burger and Havana fifty seven are generating strong returns. During the second quarter and into July, World Series of Poker hosted another very successful event and remains the largest poker tournament in the world with over 500,000,000 in prizes. Turning to our Regional segment, we reported adjusted EBITDAR of $439,000,000 Tom will add additional insights during his remarks, but our Regional segment was negatively impacted by several onetime items during the quarter.

Excluding these negative one time items, Q2 adjusted EBITDA would have been flat year over year. During the quarter, Danville and New Orleans generated strong returns and we have strategically reinvested in our Caesars Rewards database, which drove higher gaming revenues during the period. Early results from our strategic customer reinvestments are promising, driven by strong rated play trends in the quarter. We will continue to refine our marketing approach as we remain focused on harvesting strong returns on these investments. In addition to our strategic customer reinvestment, we have made additional investments in new slot capital that is driving higher year over year gaming revenues.

On July 1, we rebranded Harvey's Lake Tahoe to Caesars Republic Lake Tahoe. We received encouraging guest feedback during the opening weekend and during Celebrity Golf regarding the new elevated property amenities. Lake Tahoe experienced significant construction disruption during the second quarter as a result of rooms being offline. We'll start construction of Phase two in Tahoe in the fall and complete the project by the 2026. I want to thank all of our team members for their hard work during this 2025.

The hard work, resilience, and unwavering dedication to exceptional guest service have been the driving force behind our accomplishments this year. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Eric for some insights in digital.

Thanks, Anthony. During the second quarter, Caesars Digital delivered net revenues of $343,000,000 up 24% versus the prior year and set an all time quarterly adjusted EBITDA record of $80,000,000 up 100% to last year. On an LTM basis, Caesars Digital has delivered approximately $200,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA. Our results in the quarter keep us firmly on track to achieve the financial targets we laid out in 2021. Q2 results were driven by growth in Sports and Casino with net revenues increasing 2851% year over year respectively.

Adjusted EBITDA margins grew by eight eighty basis points to 23.3%. In our Sportsbook, we continued to achieve strong year over year performance. Hold increased 170 basis points to a record 8.9% and Handle was roughly flat versus the prior year period. Total parlay mix improved by approximately two eighty basis points year over year and we saw growth in average likes per parlay and a higher cash out mix versus the prior year as well. From a tech perspective, we announced the launch of our universal digital wallet and proprietary player account management system in Nevada earlier this month.

That enhancement gives our customers a significant upgrade to their wagering experience within the state and now across 19 jurisdictions. We expect to complete the rollout across all of our jurisdictions by early twenty twenty six. In iCasino, we saw continued strength again in volume hold and average MAUs, which combined to grow net revenues an impressive 51. We continue to elevate our product offering during the quarter to include new bonus capabilities, the launch of a Caesars branded live gaming studio in Michigan and the introduction of our Remote Reels live slot studio on the property floor of Tropicana Atlantic City. Our in house development studio continues to make progress with two proprietary games now in market, a third planned for launch in early August and our first slot game on target for the September.

The games have all been well received by our customers. As we head into the back half of 2025, I'm becoming more and more optimistic as I see how customers are reacting to the improvements we have made in our application. The continuous progress made in all areas is showing up in our top line results and our focus on spending efficiency is driving solid flow through to EBITDA. I will now pass the call over to Brett for some comments on the balance sheet.

Thanks, Eric. Q3 is off to a great start on the balance sheet front as we fully redeemed our most expensive debt earlier this month using a mix of asset sale proceeds and our revolver. Annual free cash flow savings from the redemption will exceed $40,000,000 and we continue to be optimistic about further interest expense reductions through rate decreases and or debt reduction. Our relationship bank facility is our next maturity in 2028, and our nearest capital markets maturity is in 2029. On the tax side, the BBB brought us good news in the form of increased interest and depreciation expense deductions that move our pro form a estimate for cash taxes as a percentage of EBITDAR down from 5% to 3% to 4%, which you'll see reflected in our investor presentation. I'll turn it over to Tom.

Thanks, Brett. Thanks, everybody, for joining. To unpack the quarter by segment, Vegas for us was, as Anthony talked about, softer than last year. We started with a strong April. May and June started to decline.

Booking window contracted. Booking window in Vegas is about as short as I've seen it at this point. And we saw we had in our own portfolio, Anthony talked about high end that we were missing in gaming. Recall we had both Adele and Garth Brooks in last year's second quarter didn't have them this year, missed out on some high end trips that tend to resurface at other points during the year. But Vegas started leaking as a market kind of May.

That leak accelerated into June. I'd expect third quarter to be soft. But in the last three weeks or so, as we monitor forward bookings, bookings have stabilized. And as we look to fourth quarter, first quarter and second quarter fourth quarter of this year, 2026. Very strong group calendar for us. So we think this is a temporary phenomenon in Vegas. But make no mistake, the summer is soft in Vegas.

I would expect something in the third quarter that looks like the second quarter on a comparative basis. Regionals, we talk about onetime impacts. We had about $30,000,000 worth, the biggest of which was construction at Lake Tahoe, Caesars Republic, the former, Harvey's, we lost between that and Bowling and Reading Reno, we lost almost 50,000 room nights versus last year. We reopened the first phase of Caesars Republic before July 1, and it has performed we've been very pleased with the performance, the strength in that performance. There's a second phase that happens this offseason that will not be nearly as disruptive as the first phase was that casino was effectively closed for the second quarter.

We also lost a couple of weeks in Metropolis due to flooding and had some a significant lawsuit settlement in Baltimore, almost $2,000,000 Those were the chief culprits that were in the $30,000,000 of onetime events. As we look at it as it was happening, we looked at these as onetime events. As we get into third quarter in July, we can see that without those occurring in July, regional both revenue and EBITDA are up for July. So even inclusive of what happened in the second quarter with the onetime items, we remain comfortable that Regional for the full year will be flat to up in EBITDA. I've had a number of conversations with many of you during the quarter about revenues.

We've told you in the past that GGR monthly performance is not necessarily indicative of what's happening under the hood. If you'll recall, we talked on prior calls about how in competitive markets in particular, as we wade back into new battlegrounds with new competitors, we market into those areas, increase the marketing. And you saw some of that flow through or flow to GGR. Some of you thought that was some harbinger of significant strength in regional. It's really reflecting what we're doing from a promotional standpoint.

Those promotions, you roll them out. You decide which ones are working, which ones aren't. And you pull back the ones that aren't working. That doesn't always neatly fit in the ninety day quarters that we're reporting. So if you look at regional on a full year basis, you should assume that we were investing in the second quarter.

We're bearing the fruits of that as we get into third quarter, which is why EBITDA is increasing. But we are pruning programs generate volume but may have done so unprofitably. Our rated gaming trends, our rated gaming Theo was up 8.5% in the quarter, which is the best performance we've had in three years. But I would tell you, part of that is artificial based on what we were doing marketing to customers. But it is considerably stronger than it's been the last couple of years, which bodes well for a particular regional space over the next year or two.

Digital had a fantastic quarter. As you know, we laid out financial milestones in this 2021, right before we launched Caesars Sports. We remain on track to deliver 500,000,000 plus of EBITDA in 2026. The momentum in digital is extraordinary, both from a volume and an EBITDA perspective. We're now increasing Handle year over year.

We Eric talked about how what you saw over the last four quarters was our ability to refine our marketing targeted to consumers to customers. That led to a reduction in handle. We've now we anniversaried that during the quarter. Handle grew. Handle is growing in July.

On the sports side, mid single digits. The casino, we continue to grow in iCasino about 2x the rate of our peers. Extraordinarily pleased with the way that is coming together. If you look at versus the prior year quarter, the $40,000,000 we did in the prior year had about $8,000,000 worth of World Series of Poker EBITDA that we sold. So the true comp is versus $32,000,000 of EBITDA.

Last year, we did $80,000,000 There's another $8,000,000 of that World Series headwind in the third quarter EBITDA number, but we would expect to top the fully loaded number by a significant amount. If you look at we've talked about partnership expenses rolling off. If you look at now through the 2027, we've got north of $70,000,000 worth of partnership expenses that we are dragging in our business right now that will roll off by the '7. And more than half of those will be gone in the first four months of twenty six. And all of that flows straight to EBITDA.

So that business is ramping quickly toward that $500,000,000 number. We certainly expect that that's not an endgame for us, that we're going to continue growing well past that as we move forward. Brett touched on the tax bill's impacts on us. If you think about that in a dollar amount, the reduction in cash taxes this year should offset the EBITDA shortfall in Vegas for second and third quarter so that free cash flow is not materially impacted in 2025. And 2026 and 2027, you should be thinking of something like 80,000,000 to $100,000,000 less in cash taxes than what we were anticipating before the bill was passed. So in short, we've got you know, we are we've battened down the hatches in Vegas for a soft summer. We see a strong fourth quarter first quarter and second quarter. On the other side of that, as we look at the group calendar that's coming into town, Regional remains on track for flat to a little bit of growth this year and growth in 2026. And digital continues its strong growth and momentum. And with that, I'll open it up to questions.

Our first question comes from Dan Politzer with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. First one on Las Vegas. Tom, you mentioned you've seen a little bit of stabilization in the past few weeks. Can you maybe kind of unpack that?

And as you think about that path to growth in the fourth quarter and first quarter and the first half of next year, is there something tangible that we can lock on to just given that group calendar? Are there any kind of specifics you could put around that?

Yes. So what we see pretty clearly the next ninety days forecasted cash occupancy. We were down 27,000 room nights in the second quarter. And what we saw was every week as those forecasts came out, each of the next three months would show a decline week over week in forecasted cash revenue. That kind of started May, accelerated into June.

And kind of in July, what we're seeing is that those ninety day numbers next three months are stable. You're basically looking at the same forecast you were looking at a week ago. So I'm not suggesting that this is some huge bullish turn. It was a it was as if your tire had a leak and you've patched it at this point. And if you look into fourth quarter, first quarter, second quarter, we're we project a record group year in Vegas in 2025 for us.

At the end of third quarter, on a year over year basis, our group business will be down year over year. We knew that was going to be the case. But we have an extremely robust fourth quarter group calendar. First quarter, you add ConAg to the citywide convention calendar. We have another robust group.

And then in the early second quarter, we get State Farm, which is a substantial conference that is Caesars specific and recurs once every three years. That's in the 26 number. And so if you think about, you know, as you're in the summer, you're leisure dominated. So leisure is softer, has been softer. When you get that strong group calendar, that allows you that gives you leverage in rate, and that's you've seen that for quite some time historically.

It's really get out of the group light third quarter and into the group heavier fourth quarter, first quarter, second quarter when we have significant business booked. So but 25 should be a group room night record for us, and 26 should be another one.

Got it. And just to clarify, your comment on third quarter Las Vegas being a comparative basis versus the second quarter, Should we interpret that as third quarter EBITDAR down high singles or somewhere in that range?

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Brent Montour with Barclays. Your line is open.

Good morning, every or sorry. Good afternoon. Good evening, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. So curious, Tom, on the, promotional stuff that you guys talked about.

You know, when when you think about that effort, maybe talk about, you know, what you I mean, you can only give me so much, but what you're doing differently now versus prior promotional campaigns or efforts that you've done, if there's any any sort of omnichannel bend to it, as well as sort of the hub and spoke model that we know you well for historically. Is that something that that it's sort of coincided with the Las Vegas slowdown? I'm just wondering if there's sort of like a system wide effort that you can tie that you're tying that into to sort of help everything.

Yeah. So we're working with our marketing and our analytics team to really dive into our database, which is our engine of growth. And we're looking for targeted opportunities to drive profitable revenues. And with 52 properties around the country, we can really test and learn and take the ones that are working in some parts of the country and take those throughout the entire country and then continue to get more efficient as we continue down this road. In addition, we're really leaning on our database to fill rooms in Las Vegas.

We're opening up more of of the segments and working with our hosts across the country to drive people here to Las Vegas.

Yeah. So, Brent, what you're seeing is this started as a response to the competitive openings in regional that impacted us last year, going back into drawing your new battleground markets and marketing to those customers. And it's really just how rich is the offer that you're giving them and what's the response to that. And does it flow profitably at the same time with what's going on in leisure demand in Vegas. As Anthony says, you're opening your casino database to lower segments of customers to fill your room.

So they're getting a better offer. And then at the same time, we're wrapping digital and brick and mortar in more every quarter. And it's the combination of that, and that provides a lot of data for us. But it's not immediate. Right?

So you're making marketing decisions. You're sending those out there. Those go out through mail and email. And then you're going to see what the response is. And there's some that flow well across the enterprise.

There's some that work in certain markets. There's some that don't work across the enterprise, and there's some that don't work in certain markets. And that's the tweaking that we started doing kind of late in second quarter and into July that we're bearing the fruits of. But like I said, this doesn't necessarily fit into the quarter the distinct quarter that we report. You've got a little bit of kind of rollout in second quarter and very little of the paring back.

And now you've got July you're driving back to what's profitable. At the same time, we increased our slot spend in '25 in the CapEx numbers that we've provided for you, and we've deployed those machines in a lot of market. We're seeing returns from those as well. We're always tweaking lease units and how much they're driving. And I would say, generally speaking, leased units have been climbing a bit portfolio wide.

So all of that's going on at once, and your analytics group is measuring what's working, what's not working. And that's kind of what we've done is we've typically, as we've bought companies, you pull back what's not working and you lean into what is. So it is a lot of test and control.

Okay. That's really helpful. Thanks for that. And then another one, Tom, if you could just give us some thoughts on what you think is going on in Vegas right now with the summer leisure demand? Know, how much of I mean, we all know it's a seasonally slow period.

How much of it's weather? How much of it is a hangover from tariffs? Is there anything structural, whereby, you know, Las Vegas has been flying high and perhaps there's some fatigue on pricing and maybe the value proposition isn't quite as good as it was in the past. What do you think?

That's a tough one. It's tough to put your finger on that. We had we talked with our peers, had seen anecdotally that the ends of the strip, call it the North and South End Of The Strip, started to weaken maybe March and April, and we really hadn't seen anything. And you're looking at again, for us, you're looking at a quarter where we're 99% occupied. 27,000 room nights for us is going to flow through nongaming for us.

The gaming piece of where we were light versus last year was all high end at Caesars Palace. So gaming has held in, in our portfolio center strip, non highest end very well. And that high end, as I said, is really a timing issue based on when our Entertainment Acts were here. But losing 27,000 room nights, you're losing that cash room revenue. You're losing some F and B revenue.

Our team did a great job of keeping operating expenses in check, keeping our margins in check. But that the period of softness when we are leisure dominated has extended into this quarter. And I look at this as you know, I've been around Vegas a very long time as a lot of you have been. This is kind of normal seasonality that we haven't seen in a while here. It's nothing that leaves me concerned about the customers.

But the only thing I could point to that is back to your comments is the international business, particularly Canadian, is softer. So if you look at our missing room nights this year, Canadians are a significant piece of that, even though they're only three percent of the total 3% or 4% of the total pie for us. But I don't really see anything, particularly when we look at the business as a whole, Vegas, regional and digital, that suggests there's anything particularly concerning about the consumer. And as I said, we'd expect, as groups fill in here, this looks very different end of the year and into early next.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from David Katz with Jefferies.

Afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to go back to digital, which seems to have, has really accelerated. And I think what we've talked about in the past is getting to a run rate of 500 by the fourth quarter. If you could help us just unpack that a little bit more and point to some of the key drivers for that.

Can we what does a 2026 look like? Or are there new aspirational targets we can think about maybe discussing even in general terms?

So I'd say, David, as you get into football season, obviously, volatility of sports outcomes becomes paramount. But if you look at a typical second quarter versus fourth quarter, something like fourth quarter being 2x second quarter is a reasonable expectation, which should obviously put us well above the run rate that you're talking about. We've had a strong July post a strong second quarter, so the momentum is continuing. I've talked about the partnership expenses that roll off. So for us, the much debated $500,000,000 target looks like it's going to arrive right on the schedule that we put out there four years ago.

And as you look forward and think about into 'twenty six, 'twenty seven, 'twenty eight, where you may have new iGaming jurisdictions, where I would expect our share of a new jurisdiction, given our product and the momentum in that business, would probably be something like 2x what our share is in the legacy markets, you can start to talk yourself into some pretty bullish outcomes in digital. And we see no indication that anything's slowing down. For us, the rollout of single wallet in Nevada is a wonderful customer acquisition tool. If you recall before that, all the customers that would come to our properties in Nevada and open a Caesars Sports account so they could bet while they were in Vegas would go home and have to open a separate account, which is obviously less than ideal. So we think from a customer acquisition standpoint outside of Nevada, that's going to be a powerful tool and add to the momentum that we've got going in this space.

So I don't want to I've taken so much grief over the $500,000,000 target that we're right on the precipice of. I'm hesitant to immediately put another target out there. But I'd say we're going to generate substantially more than $500,000,000 of EBITDA from digital if you're looking out a few years here.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Lizzie Dove with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Hi there. Thanks for taking the question. Just going back to Vegas, you mentioned some of the investments that have been making great returns at Flamingo. I'm curious beyond what you've already kind of talked about, if you think there's opportunity or need for any further incremental investment in other Vegas properties.

Yeah. We've got just our room remodels that we have coming up. We've got a tower at at Caesars Palace. We've got a partnership with TAO on a day club where they're contributing to the capital for an amazing day club out front of Caesars Palace. We've got some more room remodels throughout the city.

But Vanderpump. Yeah. And then Vanderpump Hotel at Cromwell kicks off design as we speak, toured a a model room there the other day, and it is it is definitely amazing. It'll be a a wonderful new hotel in a great location. Beyond that, the rest of our properties are in pretty dang good shape right now, and we'll continue to keep them in good shape.

Got it. And then going back to digital for a second. So there's a really nice uptick on the OSB hold this quarter, tracking pretty close to 9% at this point. Curious how you think about sustainability of this uptick. I know you mentioned sports variability of outcomes, but just in light of the long term target that you have out there and whether there was any kind of onetime factors in this quarter?

Yes. Sure. So we definitely had favorable sporting outcomes this quarter. I would say that the actual hold surpassed our theoretical hold from the sportsbook perspective. That said, I wouldn't change our target long term target of getting to 10% hold at this point.

We are really optimistic. I mentioned how our parlay percentage continues to rise. Our same game parlay percentage is rising and our cash out percentage is rising. All three of those contribute significantly towards increased hold. So there is very much a upward trend in our structural hold.

But that said, achieving the almost 9% hold this quarter was inflated by good sports outcomes. Now I would say though, as we head into football, football tends to have a higher parlay mix just in general. And so we do anticipate surpassing that 9% later in the year. But I think there's some natural effects just associated with the sporting outcome that's going to drive that as well.

Our next question comes from Steve Puzzilla with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Good afternoon, and thank you for taking our questions. Can you just talk about what you are seeing from an OpEx and labor standpoint in Las Vegas and regionals and how we should think about that moving forward?

Yeah. So we've got union contract increases in Vegas that you've seen us lean into expenses so that our expenses were flat even though we have increased labor increased union rates. Nothing to speak of in digital that's I'm sorry, in regional that's worth mentioning. We're kind of inflation type increases across the board. Not nearly as impactful as the last couple of years on the whole.

Okay, great. Thanks. And then just wanted to follow-up on what you are seeing in New Orleans. I believe you noted a $60,000,000 EBITDAR run rate per month coming out of the 1Q. Is that still the case?

New Orleans had another very strong quarter and has picked up the pace in July. Danville continues to perform extraordinarily well also. So the additions to the portfolio are driving very strong results in regional.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Steven Nowinski with Stifel. Your line is open.

Yeah. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. So so, Tom, wondering if we can start with with the regionals. I'm I'm trying to square this up a little bit, so stick with me here a sec.

So there were $30,000,000 of headwinds. Know, if we go back, we we add those add those in, the flow through still would have been a little bit lower year over year. Then there's this uptick in spending across the database, which seems like that was kind of heavily weighted toward the second quarter. So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what those regional margins would have looked like on a more on a like for like basis, meaning up, down, flattish. And I'm guessing moving forward, those margins should now accelerate a little bit more given the bulk of that heavy spending across the database is essentially finished?

Yeah. I'd say, obviously, if you were not doing the marketing that we were doing, margins would have been higher than they were. And as we pull back on as we pull back on the unprofitable marketing that we call profitable from unprofitable, those margins should improve from here. So that's accurate.

Okay. Got you. Second question, Tom, going to Vegas. As you think about that FIT cohort, it sounds like you think that customer base has stabilized, yet it's still early on and fully understanding that booking window is compressed. But I guess my question is, did you guys essentially do anything to stabilize that customer?

Meaning, you know, did you get more aggressive on whether it's promotions or room discounting or anything like that? Just just trying to understand that a little bit

No. What I'm describing is a cash room revenue number. Most of our rooms in Vegas are cash. And so what stabilized was forward cash room expectations, which had been leaking for better part of a month and a half, that stabilized July for us.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Barry Jonas with Truist. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. You're coming off your initial meeting in New York City with the CAC. How do you feel your chances are in race?

We're proud of the submission that we have put forward. We've got a strong partnership with a lot of local support. We are mindful that Manhattan may be an underdog for a license. If there is a casino awarded in Manhattan, we are confident we would be the one.

Got it. And then just as a follow-up, a lot of good color on digital and outlook there. I'm just curious if any updated thoughts on a spin, maybe timing or puts and takes from your perspective? Thank you.

Yeah. We have talked about job one is to deliver on the numbers that we've laid out. We're well on our way to that. There is internal plumbing that needs to happen to be in position to separate that fits well with when we hit our numbers for our initial targets. And we'll take a look at what we think of value at that point, whether it's we're getting it reflected.

But we would absolutely pursue a separation if we believe that it would drive significant value to our shareholders. And we think we'll be in position where we're at our targets at some point in the '26. So that's what you should be thinking about in terms of time frame.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from John DeCree with CBRE. Your line is open.

Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Wanted to ask a question about some of asset light opportunities that have come up, I think, OLG and Windsor and then some extension of the Caesars Republic brand. And when we think about regionals kind of flat to up, seems like some of these things might move the needle a little bit. So how much more opportunity is there for you to kind of continue to utilize the brand in that way?

Yeah. So John, we've got a couple of Indian management contracts that have raised their financing, one in Oklahoma, one in Sonoma County, California, that we would expect, when they're up and operating, should be something on the order of $20,000,000 of annual management fees between the two of them. To Caesars, as you've noted, we bring in Windsor first end '6. So that will remove EBITDA from the managed line, but it's replaced by regional EBITDA that is well in excess of what it was bringing in managed. So we have between all three of those, you're almost $50,000,000 of incremental EBITDA that's flowing through asset light deals for us.

And we continue to pursue more both in The US and in some of the larger international markets as well. That's a bit of elephant hunting where maybe something comes together. More likely, it doesn't. But we're active out there with our brand and our management expertise.

And Tom, just to clarify that incremental EBITDA kind of asset like capacity, it's high free cash flow conversion, right? There wouldn't be any expected kind

That's right. That's straight free cash flow.

Got it. If I could ask Juan about group room mix, big picture, as we kind of look at the stability that 4Q, 1Q and 2Q present and kind of all shaping us either specific event. So what's the right group room mix? It's probably something you and Anthony and team calibrate all the time. But is there an opportunity you're actively looking to kind of hunt for some more of those large events that can kind of really provide meaningful growth?

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