Almost $20 trillion in revenue—and a record-breaking $1.87 trillion in profits. Introducing the 2025 Fortune 500, the definitive list of the biggest companies in America.

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The 300 companies on this year’s list brought in over $12.6 trillion in revenue for the latest 12 months, with the median revenue figure at $22 billion.

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The corporations on our annual list posted aggregate revenues of $41 trillion for the second year in a row.

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Industries included in the sector are banks, insurance, and real estate companies.

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The Fortune 500, in its 70th year in 2024, ranks the biggest U.S. companies by revenue.

The corporations on our annual list of the world’s largest companies delivered a record $41 trillion in aggregate revenues.

The Fortune 500, in its 69th year in 2023, ranks the biggest U.S. companies by revenue.

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The global financial services and insurance provider dropped nine spots on this year’s list even though it had a strong year amid rising inflation. 
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 	<li>AIG is the most profitable property insurance company on the Fortune 500, raking in $10.3 billion in profits in 2022, up 10% from the year prior.</li> 
 	<li>The insurance giant brought in $56.4 billion in revenue, up 8% from the year prior.</li> 
 	<li>In January 2023, the company’s interim CFO and executive vice president Mark Lyons was terminated after he violated confidentiality agreements with the company.</li> 
 	<li>The company repurchased $779 million of common stock in the fourth quarter of 2022, returning $6.1 billion to shareholders through $5.1 billion in common stock repurchases for the full year of 2022.</li> 
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Aggregate sales hit $37.8 trillion last year—an increase of 19%, the highest annual growth rate in the list’s history.

This year’s Fortune 500 marks the 68th running of the list.

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American International Group rebounded impressively in 2021, posting $9.4 billion in net income, compared to a $6 billion net loss the previous year. AIG has been tightening its focus on property-casualty insurance; it cited gains from divested properties, stronger general insurance underwriting practices, and higher income from investments as reasons behind this year’s growth.

Total revenue for the world’s biggest companies fell 4.8% to $31.7 trillion this year—the first decline in half a decade.

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This year’s Fortune 500 marks the 67th running of the list.

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This year's Fortune Global 500 generated $33.3 trillion in revenues and $2.1 trillion in profits.

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AIG swung to a profit in 2019 as revenues grew 5%. A comparatively mild hurricane season helped the company, which pays out insurance claims when natural disasters hit. While profits last year were also buoyed by big investment gains, this year’s market dive has already dragged earnings down significantly. And AIG is also bracing for a major hit in 2020 as insurance policyholders file claims for lost business as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

This year's Fortune 500 marks the 66th running of the list.

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Holding steady at the same spot in the rankings, AIG swung to a profit in 2019 as revenues grew 5%. A comparatively mild hurricane season helped the company, which pays out insurance claims when natural disasters hit. While profits last year were also buoyed by big investment gains, this year’s market dive has already dragged earnings down significantly. And AIG is also bracing for a major hit in 2020 as insurance policyholders file claims for lost business as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

This year's Fortune Global 500 generated $27.7 trillion in revenues and $1.5 trillion in profits.

This year's Fortune 500 marks the 65th running of the list.

This year's Fortune 500 marks the 64th running of the list.

This year's Fortune 500 marks the 63rd running of the list.

This year's Fortune Global 500 generated $27.6 trillion in revenues and $1.5 trillion in profits.

This year's Fortune 500 marks the 62nd running of the list.

Business insiders have spoken: Asked which companies they most admire, more than 4,100 executives, directors, and analysts chose these top 50 All-Stars.

World's Most Admired Companies

The world's 500 largest companies generated $31.2 trillion in revenues and $1.7 trillion in profits in 2014. Together, this year's Fortune Global 500 employ 65 million people worldwide and are represented by 36 countries.

This year's Fortune 500 marks the 61st running of the list. Wal-Mart claims the top spot again. See who made the list.

Global business is back. After limping through a worldwide financial crisis and economic slowdown, the 500 largest companies ranked by revenues shattered all sorts of performance records in 2013: They racked up combined revenues of $31.1 trillion, up 2.5% from 2012, and profits soared 27% to nearly $2 trillion. China’s 95 companies (up from 89 last year) posted $5.8 trillion in revenues. The U.S. has four fewer companies on the list than last year but remains (for now) the country leader, with 128 corporations on the list—including No. 1 Wal-Mart Stores—reporting $8.6 trillion in revenues. 

Wal-Mart stayed on top as its sales crept closer to half-a-trillion dollars. Apple moved into the top five. And UnitedHealth Group continued its steady climb. 

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AIG is an insurance and investment company. Its business is primarily divided into two main segments: general insurance, which sells personal and commercial insurance products in 190 countries through a range of subsidiaries; and its life and retirement business, which provides life insurance and retirement products. AIG is also the majority owner of Corebridge Financial, which was an AIG subsidiary, SAFG Retirement Services, which was rebranded in 2021 and is now in the process of being spun off as an independent company. Formerly known as American International Group and based in New York, AIG’s history dates to 1919.

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Saudi Arabia’s push to get more women and girls engaged in sports is working, with over 70,000 girls participating in school football league, in only it’s second year, and the opening of 500 women's sports centers. As part of Vision 2030, the country’s national sports strategy is clearing the way for women’s participation and developing a pipeline for female athletes, as part of the broader campaign to improve quality of life in the Kingdom. What’s next for Saudi's promising female athletes on their journey from amateur to elite, and for the women’s sports in the Kingdom and beyond?

MPW Spotlight: Reaching New Heights

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Please go to fortune.com. Now switching gears, let's talk about sports. Saudi women and girls are participating in sports in record numbers from joining youth leagues to coaching the next generation of promising athletes and competing in national and international competitions. This is all part of the government's national sports strategy. Joining us to discuss this historic initiative is Adwa al-Arifi, the Assistant Minister for sport affairs in the Ministry of Sport for Saudi Arabia. So she's going to be interviewed by Lama Al Hamai, a reporter for Arab News. Please welcome them to the stage. OK, welcome to our session Reaching New Heights. My name is Lehed Hemoy. I'm a reporter with Arab News and the founder and host of the Discussions podcast. We're in store for a treat in this session because we're going to be reaching new heights and discussing about the new heights through Vision 2030. Um, as a Saudi woman that's been living and working in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, I've seen firsthand the advancements that have taken place in women in sports, um, from athletes, football players to schools and new programs coming about each and every day. And we're in store for a treat because I have the assistant of Minister for sports at the Ministry of Sports Abel Abife with me on stage to talk about the advancements. Um, I, I wanna ask you initially when Vision 2030 came about in 2016, um, we, we talked about the diversification of economy, but immediately I thought of sports. I thought of culture. I thought of tourism, um, sports wasn't the initial initial topic that came about. It was kind of the second topic. So I want to ask you, why is sports such an important pillar of Vision 2030 and looking at it now in 2025, what is the biggest advancements we've seen in the past couple of years? Can you hear me? Yes, thank you. It's a pleasure to be with you all here today and to whoever is here for the first time in Saudi Arabia, I would like to welcome you and our beloved country, and I hope you're enjoying your time here in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Going to your question, um, why is sports important for Saudi? Because it's important for our people, for our nation. It makes us happier, healthier every day. Speaking of Vig 2030, Vision 2030 was launched back in 2016 by His Royal Highness, the Crown Prince Prince Mohammad bin Salman. This vision, vision 2030, has quality of life at the heart and core of that vision. As part of quality of life, we have sports, entertainment, tourism, and culture. So if we look at sports, we started working on our national sports strategy, and we say when we say national sports strategy, it's not about the strategy of the Ministry of sports, but it's the whole nation's strategy. So we focus on three main pillars in this strategy. The first pillar is mass participation. And we're proud to say that today more than 50% of Saudis are physically active, which that percentage before Vigen 2030, it was only 13%, so that number jumped from 13% to 58%. And we target how can we have more people into physical activity to get people more healthier, happier, and more active on their daily lives. The second main pillar is amateur to elite. So how can we identify talent from a young age? Boys and girls, how can we identify that talent? His Royal Highness, the Minister of Sport, Prince Abdel Aziz Binky, launched Mad Academy 4 years ago. Mad Academy is um across the whole kingdom of Saudi Arabia focusing on identifying uh talent from a young age in collaboration with Ministry of Education. The third pillar, which is elite. How can we as Saudis perform better in elite performance in international competitions? And we're proud to say that we've in the previous years female sports was new to Saudi, but we're proud that we had for the first time a female athlete qualifies to the Olympics, Dua Bota, who qualified in taekwondo and competed. To the last, she was very close to get a medal in Paris Olympics. So, um, so this is, this is our strategy. Those are our main pillars, and this is our focus, and whatever we do is for our people and our nation. And we've seen the success we've um, but there had to have been challenges along the way. I don't want to only touch upon the positive because it's a difficult journey through a transformation there might be resistance and there might be difficulties. So I wanna ask you, what were the hurdles involved in getting women in sports in Saudi Arabia? Um, to be honest, His Royal Highness the Crown Prince, as part of Vision 2030, have removed all hurdles, and let me speak about my own journey. Sports is my passion since I was a young girl, and limited opportunities were back then, but that did not stop us. We played sports. I played soccer, football back then, had the first female team in Rio and a community league as well. Um, back then I've never imagined that the kingdom of Saudi Arabia will have a national team, a women's national team, or a league, an official league within within the kingdom. But today we went from not having national teams or leagues to today having 4 women national football teams. The first team. Under 20, under 17, and under 15, we have our Premier League, which has more than 10 clubs, female clubs playing in the Premier League, and it's the only league in the region that is broadcasted internationally and has global sponsorships as well. We have the first division, the 2nd division. We've launched the Schools league 3 years ago and for the first season we had more than 70,000 girls playing football in schools. So I think whatever we're doing is working. So other than that there are a lot of reforms that happened as part of Vi2030. So back in 2017, PE was introduced for girls' schools. 2018 girls and females were allowed to enter the stadiums. Um, 2018 women were allowed to drive in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and by law, all sporting federation needs to have a female seat in that federation to ensure the progress and and the transformation in women's sport in that sport. So these are all reforms that happened and personally we're living our dreams today and challenges were all removed. Exactly. They really were standing before me as an assistant minister, but for those of you that don't know, I think. Saudis, majority of Saudis know that Awa was one of the early trailblazers in football, by the way, in 2006, she was a legend in the very, very early on before Vision 2030 changes, she was the one leading the football sector and quite literally uplifting women around her way before Vision 2030 came to fruition. So please give her a round of applause. Honestly, we're setting for our legends. You're very humble. I know it's a team effort and the panel afterwards, my colleague Alia Rashid, who is leading women football in the Saudi Football Federation, she'll speak more about it, so I don't want to ruin. No, of course. I want to ask you, how do you change the cultural norms around sports participation in Saudi Arabia? Um, so whatever we're doing, we do, so our national sports strategy is catered for all. Uh, it's not only for men, it's not only for women, it's for, for everyone. And what we do is to open opportunity for all so we ensure that we have access for everyone, and that's the reason why we've went from 30 sporting federations before Virgin 2030 to today having more than 97 sporting federations to ensure that we have an opportunity for every single person living in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia to try any kind of sport that they would wish for. So whatever we do, it's a personal choice. If you would like to enter the sports sector or be physically to be more physically active or to join any kind of sport, then the opportunity is there. So our role is not to change the cultural norms. We're our culture. We respect um uh um anyone's decision, but the opportunity is there to welcome everyone to be part of the transformation and to be part of the sports sector. I want to ask this question for anyone visiting the kingdom of Saudi Arabia for the first time or doesn't really know about sports in Saudi. When we think of Saudi Arabia, obviously we think of football. If you're thinking internationally, you can't help but think of football and some of the football legends we have here. But what are some of the other sports drawing attention in Saudi Arabia? So we're a football nation, so everyone watches football, plays football, so definitely football is is is one of the most popular sports in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. However, because sports is transforming within the kingdom. Um, so we find demand in all sports. So from paddle to e-sport to martial arts, Dunya Botale, for example, who is our first female that qualified to the Olympics, qualified in taekwondo. So demand is is moving. Very quick across all sports, so we see every day new athletes coming into the sports sector, and we have a whole new generation that is entering the sports sector across different, different sports. So there is no one popular sport. It's the demand is across all. And obviously we've seen Formula One, we've seen Formula E, we've seen the WTA being hosted right here in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Um, why is the Ministry of Sports driving for this transformation and investing so heavily in these international sports in Saudi Arabia? Um, so as I mentioned, whatever we do is for our people, for our nation, and let me give you an example of the WTA finals that we've hosted last year. The hosting of those events is to inspire our people. We're a young nation. 60% of the population are below the age of 30. Um, so when you see young girls attending the WTA and looking at, looking at those professional athletes, they get inspired to be that athlete one day, and we've worked on different programs across tennis, and during that WTA final we had more than 30,000 girls playing tennis because they are inspired from that that event. So that's an example. Another example is E1. Which is electric boat racing. We've hosted that and we're very proud of Medan, who you'll see in the next panel who won as a first, not only a first female but 1st 1st Arab that wins that race, and she's a Saudi female. So because of hosting the E1, we've realized that we have a talented athlete that became a champion. We're approaching the last few minutes of our session. I have one final question for you. What would success look like for you in your journey, in your career as assistant minister? How would you define success? So I think we we're living in a golden era today. So what we're witnessing today is success. When I was a young girl, I've never dreamt to work in sports, let alone looking at all the girls that are today involved in sport. Um, on behalf of all the girls that are passionate in sports, um, we are living our dreams, and this is the success we we we talk about. It is, I think we're seeing it firsthand. I have so many friends that are competitive athletes. This wouldn't have been possible to say in Saudi Arabia back in the day. And I think if it's OK to say this, we were talking backstage, we said that Saudi Arabia isn't working on catching up right now. We've already exceeded it. I think we're leading at the front line when it comes to women in sports. Yeah, definitely it's one of the fastest countries in the world that is growing in in in sports and Um, we might have been late, but we've already exceeded a lot of countries in terms of the progress that are happening, and we're one of the few countries in the world that applied equal pay for our athletes, which is the showcases that. So this showcases the progress that we're going through um and that it's it's real and um and we have equality across all sports and equality and progress in such a short amount of time when we think of Vision 2030, it wasn't that long ago that it was announced. Look at it now, the advancements are. Remarkable, and I've never seen anything like it anywhere around the world and for we're visiting Saudi Arabia, you might read about it on the news you might talk to friends, but being here in person firsthand speaking to Saudi women across this forum and listening to these panels, I hope that we can convey the true message of what's happening here in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. That's all the time that we have. A thank you so much for your time. Please give a round of applause. Thank you so much

As AI takes hold, so do the risks for the next generation. In this important conversation, filmmaker and children’s rights campaigner Baroness Kidron joins WeProtect Global Alliance founder Baroness Shields, OBE to explore how AI is impacting childhood – and what we must do to protect it.  

Who’s Protecting Our Kids from AI?

Wendy’s CEO Kirk Tanner is betting big on Wendy’s future—expanding internationally, doubling down on breakfast, and leveraging data to drive smarter decisions. In this episode of Leadership Next, cohosts Diane Brady and Kristin Stoller sit down with Kirk to discuss the fast-food giant’s evolving strategy. Tanner shares insights on the brand’s commitment to fresh ingredients, digital innovation, and international expansion, while reflecting on key leadership lessons from his time at PepsiCo. He also explains why failing forward is essential, how customer behavior—not just feedback—shapes decisions, and sets the record straight on Wendy’s so-called “surge pricing” controversy. Plus, he shares Wendy’s approach to transparency and career advice for rising professionals. 

Failing Forward: Wendy’s CEO Kirk Tanner on Leadership, Innovation, and Customer-Centric Growth

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Kirk Tanner explains why customer actions—not words—drive business, the leadership lessons behind Wendy’s growth, and how the company is evolving for a new era. 

 Sen. Sonya Halpern, Georgia State Senator and Vice Chair, Senate Democratic Caucus Bruce LeVell, Trump Senior Campaign Surrogate, Former Executive Director National Diversity Coalition for Trump Dennis Lockhart, Former CEO,  Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta Moderator: Diane Brady, Executive Director, Fortune Live Media and CEO Initiative, Fortune   

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You know, we were commenting backstage actually on how calm the music was. And uh and so we started talking about walk up songs. I actually wanna start with that. What would be your walk up song to come on and energize us, what would it be? I said, I'm gonna say send or so and then I'll call you. I said, Stevie Wonder Boogie on reggae woman. Hey, how about for you? Well, the first one was going to fly, you know, rock the rocky theme or another one bites the dust. It depends on how we're going to act. Oh, we have a sunny outlook or a dark outlook here. How about you, Dennis? This is a walk up song. You walk up on the, you know, like let's think of rest, walk on by. How about that? Ok, I like that. So let's now move from our walk up songs to ESG Well, let's talk about climate change because I think one good way to just level set is on a scale of 1 to 10 with one being like it's not important and 10 being it's the most urgent issue. Where do you think in terms of priority for the party. It should be. Let's start with you. Obviously, the Democrat, I mean, I think for the Democratic Party it's way up there. So I think the number would you put, I'm gonna say 778, you know, it's way up there for us. How about for you? I think it's more like for me, a two, a two which, which means that it's just not, I think, well, I've been blessed to world travel. So I think that the US, if you're, we're speaking about the US does a, a leading edge in terms of how we uh govern our emissions, etcetera based on our foreign adversaries and across the country. So um obviously, I, I would hope a lot of our uh neighboring countries would adopt some of our uh initiatives in terms to combat that issue. So that you're speaking obviously as a surrogate, you'd say if, if Trump up here, it would be a two. So that's, yeah, I think for me personally, ok. Yeah, I think there's more critical issues on the domestic side and foreign, you know, our proxy wars that are going on that? Are we talking about the former fed president over here? What would I think I won't paint it politically. I'll just say, I think climate is the defining challenge of our age. So from 1 to 10, where would you rank it as a priority? Nine or 10, 9 or 10? That's interesting. So, that the former fed president ranks higher, the downsides, which are all a matter of probabilities, the downsides are devastating, you know. Well, one of the things I, I'm from New York so it's a bit of a flyover state from an ad perspective. We haven't actually seen many because they just here, of course, I've seen a lot on TV, just in the space of, you know, coming here yesterday. And one of the things I'm curious about is the degree to which this is factoring into politics. And I know this was discussed yesterday, but here we have this situation with, you know, in a natural disaster, we tend to come together as a country. And right now we're seeing, you know, with hurricane Helene, you know, this, this disinformation campaign, I'm actually gonna, I'm gonna go to you first. You know, we've got another major storm. How do you, how is that impacting the discussions around just what's happening with whether it's climate change or otherwise the discussion? I mean, and this is a really important issue for us here, obviously Hurricane Helene devastated parts of Georgia that still don't have power. And of course, with the new one coming, I mean, ultimately, what Georgia has been able to do is work towards recovery. Um, you heard all of the disinformation really, the lies that the president and the vice president hadn't contacted our governor who very clearly articulated that that wasn't true. I mean, I think the challenge is that, you know, we're requiring courageous leadership in areas where it shouldn't require courage. Right. So the governor gets credit for saying the truth. And in fact, you've got a whole other arm of people who want you to believe something different. And when information is flying as quickly as it does, it's easy for people to be in their own echo chamber. That's really the biggest problem. People don't break out of their own echo chamber and the algorithms are made specifically. So you only hear what you wanna hear. Well, and, and let me go to you because do you think, first of all, there's been a big problem with disinformation right now with, with what's happening with, you mean the fake news? I think I'm talking specifically about, you know, the situation around the handling. Well, you know, it's, it's, you know, I, like we said in the green room, you know, obviously the social media apparatus is perpetuated and streamline information more, you know, quicker. But I still think it's, it's historically has always been a pa uh a partisan situation on who react fast or whatever. And, you know, I, I think, you know, for me, you know, respectfully, I've been through hurricane um Alicia when I lived in Houston, I've, I've seen uh uh what happened with Katrina. Our church went there and spent a month down there when Dennis actually came in a month after Katrina, didn't you? Not after but let me, yeah, let me get back. I just wanna focus on the issue at hand, which is really about, um, you know, this is a tight race, this happens to happen right now. It's all fair, sort of in love and war. I mean, because there is, when you look at sort of the politicization of this, I think it gets to really how we talk about climate, how we talk about diversity. Um We've seen, we've heard the president say things, you know, how would you address that? Do you think it's been, this is these are political issues or do you feel like it's been fair how the characterization of the disaster has been handled? I think, you know, it's, you know, this is one of these things where and guys, you know, I, I'm from the take care of your neighbor generation and you're always gonna have, especially during the election season, it's been going on. I think people have short memories, but at the end of the day, it's the resiliency of our ministries and our churches and our families and our community that prevail and they, and, and I, and that's what I mainly focused on and, and, but I will tell you this though and I didn't, I didn't get to finish this though. I long and some of the audience can identify this. I'm dating myself. I want the Monica Kaufmans, the Brenda Woods. I want the real journalists back, not the opinionated folks that just go up there and opinionate everything instead of just report the news. So a lot of it gets, you think it's been misreported then? I mean, I just, I, I don't want to focus too much on this but also, you know, I think that area where you're here as a, as a surrogate, let me go to Dennis because, you know, obviously, um, how do you think? I mean, you've seen the impact impact on the economy but the, these have become partisan issues, issues that, that to some extent really should be factual science based, come together as a nation issues. How you, how do you, what do you see from your perch? Well, I, I see um, an immense amount of noise that should not be taken seriously uh noise in the political campaigns and noise in general, uh uh around the economy, the politicization of matters that we can be relatively certain of by looking at facts and we, we just have gotten away from that. Um, and it's, it's not only the perpetrators, it's the receivers of the information who have gotten away from that and don't exercise discipline in listening to authorities, do you know? II I know it's um always tempting when we talk about diversity to immediately go to race. I think one of the areas in which business in particular has really felt the impact is actually LGBT Q plus. Now, I know there's, there's the transgender issue. But also we've seen Toyota Harley Davidson, John Deere, a lot of them go back on their de I policies, you know, say that they're overtly not gonna support pride parades, et cetera. Give me some sense from, from that, you know, with that issue in particular, how are you thinking about that? And what give us a sense of what's around the corner? I mean, I think more of that is around the court. The thing is that it's, it all depends on who wins, but either way we're gonna see more of that, right? If you have a Kamala Harris as president, whose administration is gonna be pushing to um be much more inclusive, you're gonna still feel a push back against that and loud voices saying this isn't right and this is why she shouldn't be president. If a Donald Trump becomes president, you will see from that administration, a paring back of um e equity of inclusiveness and, and funding of initiatives even at the federal government department level that would help to continue to move people forward. And then you're gonna hear from my side, push back against that. Um to some extent, I think a lot of this conversation, particularly Post George Floyd in 2020 you saw so many businesses say, ok, this is a flashpoint moment. Let me actually embrace and move forward with these initiatives that maybe I've been dabbling in. Um, and I don't think that we have seen that kind of activity since the civil rights movement. And so now operations step up along the way. George Floyd too. That's exactly right. So, but now we're seeing the counter reaction to that and there, the counter reaction aside from where you, and obviously I'm gonna ask you, you're a businessman too to, uh, so I think that it, I think that the way that it's being framed makes it very easy to think that companies took it too far. And I think that whenever you're changing culture in generally in general, right there is a process to doing that and getting people to move along with you. And I do think that the rate of change happened so quickly that a lot of people's heads kind of spun and they couldn't, they wrap their head around what was happening as quickly as the make the change was happening. How do you feel about this Bruce? So I think that is an issue where really there's a sense you wanna be quiet right now about some of these issues. If, especially if you're in the corporate realm where a lot of people in these seats here, the, there's that we've created sort of real partisan divide over it. Yeah. Well, you know, I listen, II, I know some board of trustee folks in some of our fortune 500 companies, I won't mention their names obviously because I do a lot of media. But um I think there was good intentions respectfully. And some of the, especially some of the bigger banks and some of the other, uh, bigger fortune three and 500 companies. I think the intentions were good. But you see where it ended and, you know, I've been in business 29 years in Atlanta and I came here with $35 and, and, um, it's been very good to me. Atlanta ups and downs the financial crash, 08, as well as the pandemic. We went through and I, I think that I, I did speak to a lot of my other employees or business owners about where I was coming today and the philosophy was, and I speak for myself. I, I put all my eggs in my employees and then the customer second. And so I think that the workplace is to, is to, is to afford, you know, put everything you can to help your employee be successful. But, but the social issues, I, I just like them before and after the job where they can come to work and they don't have to, they can just do their job, go home, go to their mosque, go to their temple, go to the church. Let me ask you if you don't mind because you're in this role right now. And then I want to go to Dan's Top with this. But you are, um you are, I think you're in such a unique role where you really are. The voice. President Trump? Are there moments? Have there been any moments? Let's take place where you felt a disconnect yourself out or any disappointment around his rhetoric? And I'll ask you. Yeah. I, I think for me and I said it earlier in the groom, I'm more, I'm strictly a numbers man. I'm just not, but we're emotional creatures. How do you feel when it comes to politics? I'm not. I'm really not. I'm no, because I'm, I'm a community guy. Everyone that knows me in Atlanta all the way back from our great civil rights icons here, which my family were on that side historically, that some of them are on that Montgomery bus boy congress. So how often do you talk to the president? Our former president? I should say Trump, we talk. How often was that? Like, I mean, do you feel like he represents a lot of your views on race and such? Well, II, I think he represents the, the America first agenda which is pushing back on just not, not relying on government, but pushing it where we rely on each other as a, as a country, as a community. And that's something I gravitate to. Then let me, let me, let me ask you in terms of where you sit um talk a little bit with. I mean, I know we're talking about ES CD E I, but obviously the economy is the number one issue. How much are these factors? Um going to impact the economy. It's hard to, hard for me to see that the pendulum swinging on DE I or even ESG is going to have a major impact on the macro economy, macro economy is such a, a, an enormous, uh social system that it's somewhat impervious to some of these pendulum swing kinds of issues on, uh, and the economy is in, in really good shape. I think the issues that we have to worry about are fiscal and because it just doesn't seem to be uh any appetite to address the fiscal situation. And for that matter, the, the solutions are unpalatable and probably not going to pass muster politically. You know, so we have very, with some time left, I'd like you to speak to the audience right now in terms of give us both your perspective, some advice and, and, and from where you sit, I know that you're gonna, you know, you're up, you're taught a lot of people can be up for re-election. What, um how do you think about these issues in terms of how it's both dividing people apart and where we come together, there are a lot of issues that have been politicized and, and if you are an elected, who's a democrat or an elected, who is a Republican, you often feel that pressure of conforming and retreating to your corners that are completely different corners and not actually coming together. I think the challenge is to have more people and I and I do do this. But the challenge is to have more people have the confidence to say that problem solving is more important than actually, you know, constantly fighting. At some point, compromise has become a dirty word. Much more at the federal level than I would say that it. That's not true at every state legislature, but at the federal level, compromise has become such a dirty word for you all in business. What I would tell you is that you already know that this kind of work is about future proofing your business so you can continue to do that work. At this point, there have not been any laws and policies that have been passed, that have held muster in court that would force you to stop at the end of the day, I wanna, I wanna get, I wanna, I wanna give you a chance, Bruce, I wanna give you a chance. What can we expect? You know, if Trump, if there's a next second Trump administration on these issues, especially around race, climate, et cetera, what would you say to the audience? Well, I, well, it's getting back to what is unfinished business was. I think it was more of the, you know, putting the responsibility back to we, the people. Um and not look at the government and, you know, guys, I, I come from a generation where the leadership in your community wasn't the Congress person or the statehouse it was that great preacher down the street. It was that great educator that took every dot He took a penny, do her last dollar out of her purse and bought pencils for her students. It was that, that man, uh that banker that gave you that chance on your first loan when you were 19 years old, you know, that community and in that great church. And I think that's been a part of my life for my whole life. And may I ask one question, Bruce? I'm sorry, because I know time is tight. Um You know, how do you feel, conversations about race and climate are gonna change anything specific there? II, I just, I never see it in the lens of, of, you know, we've had some historical issues granted here in Atlanta, but I think we've gotten a lot better and we're getting better. Let me give some, some last word Haiku almost for you. Just one second here. Well, I'll just, I'll just make a point to the question of what's at stake in this particular election, broadly, the election, not just the presidential election, but the election and that is that is the ability to, to appoint judges because what we've come to in our governance is the courts decide at the end of the day and their decisions are lasting. Yeah, very much. So, listen, I could talk all day. You're all fascinating. Thank you so much. Please join me in. Thanking our speakers.

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