In 1965, you wrote the article that contained the observation we now call Moore’s Law. When you started Intel (INTC) with Robert Noyce and Andy three years later, was it your explicit goal for the company to try to live up to Moore’s Law?
MOORE: You know, this whole notion of Moore’s Law being the driving force of the company wasn’t the case in the beginning. In fact, it wasn’t until ten or 15 years ago that I could even say “Moore’s Law.” We started out just trying to extend the technologies in the ways we felt were appropriate for memory circuits.
GROVE: We didn’t build it into the company mission, we just took it for granted.
MOORE: We just tried to move the technology at as fast a rate as made sense, and it turns out that it pretty much stays on the same curve. The time that we really started pushing and driving it would be over the last few generations of technology. The fact that, although this challenge got harder and more expensive, we’ve been able to accelerate it by a third just amazes me. And by the time we get the 90-nanometers fab up and running, we think we can get to the next generation even a little ahead of that rate. I grew up with this technology, and it’s hard for me to believe that we can either design or build the things we do today.
Why is Intel’s “copy exactly” strategy to ramp up production of new plants quickly such an important element of living up to Moore’s Law?
MOORE: It’s extremely important because it takes a couple of years out of the life span of a generation of products. Historically, with a slower ramp-up it took a lot longer to move a new technology into full-volume production. So in addition to shortening the time between generations, you’ve also taken a couple of years out of the time a generation of products is available in volume. That in turn allows us to set a faster pace of innovation for our competitors to keep up with.
GROVE: Ideally you want to simply throw a switch and convert your entire production from the old and relatively less competitive range of products and technologies to a new generation. You can’t literally convert a whole new product generation in a single step-function fashion, but our fast, copy-exactly ramp-up approximates it.
MOORE: The point is to move the whole product line, not just a single part, to a more competitive performance position, which is several price points that you have to hit. People talk about how Intel cuts prices 20% or 30% or something–that’s standard business. But Intel puts a new, higher-performance chip into the mix where the top one was before and at a similar price. The idea with each new generation is to move a new performance group of product in to be competitive, rather than lower the price to be competitive.
Moore’s Law buys you more transistors to work with in each generation of your chip designs, which enables you to integrate more functions onto the basic processor. Have you always spent these transistors wisely?
MOORE: We’ve tried a variety of things along the way, and some of them were stillborn. The other things on the computer motherboard are changing a lot too. So if you stick everything on the main chip, you end up losing a lot of the flexibility that’s been so important in the evolution of the computer industry. A couple of years ago there was a product we called Timna, which was quite far along in development, that tightly integrated graphics right into the processor, and we decided pretty near to the end that, because of the flexibility it gave up, it wasn’t the best way to approach the market. So we killed it.
GROVE: It wasn’t that the market shifted, either. It was that the total wasn’t technologically competitive. But most of the time we manage to make these things work. A good example was putting the floating-point processor on the old 486 chip. That was a big success.
The implementation of on-chip cache memory was a success. Maybe my mind is playing games with me, but most of the things we’ve integrated into the chips have been successful, at least the things that I remember.
MOORE: I tend to remember the failures. (Laughter.) I expect everything to work.
This article first appeared in the November 11, 2002 issue of Fortune magazine.