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Jerome Powell has had it with the 1970s talk, saying he doesn’t see the ‘stag’ or the ‘-flation’ investors are worried about

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Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell announces that interest rates will remain unchanged during a news conference May 1, 2024, in Washington, D.C.
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After three hot inflation reports to start the year and some disturbing signs of persistent price pressures in the first-quarter GDP report, some investors have begun to fear the U.S. could be headed for a repeat of the stagflationary 1970s. But Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell pushed back on that idea at the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) press conference on Wednesday.

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“I was around for stagflation. And it was 10% unemployment, it was high-single-digits inflation … and very slow growth. Right now, we have 3% growth … and we have inflation running under 3%. So I don’t really understand where that’s coming from,” he told reporters, adding, “I don’t see the stag or the -flation, actually.”

To Powell’s point, although inflation came in ahead of Wall Street’s targets in each of the first three months of this year, the Fed’s favorite inflation gauge has remained below 3% the whole time. The core personal consumption expenditures (PCE) price index rose 2.8% from a year ago in March. That was in line with February’s figure, and still the lowest core PCE reading since April 2021.

At the same time, although first-quarter GDP growth came in below consensus estimates at 1.6%, rising imports compared with exports in the U.S. economy made the figure seem worse than it actually was—and underlying demand data remained strong. Private domestic demand, a measure of real final sales to domestic purchases that serves as a leading indicator for GDP growth, actually rose 3.1% in the first quarter.

Chair Powell also put his money where his mouth is, so to speak, and decided to hold interest rates steady at a range between 5.25% and 5.5% on Wednesday, despite the recent rise in inflation. Powell admitted that the latest data has shown “a lack of further progress” in reducing inflation to the Fed’s 2% goal, but reiterated he still believes that consumer prices will continue to fall in 2024. The Fed chair added that it’s “unlikely” his next move will be a rate hike.

“My personal forecast is that we will begin to see further progress on inflation this year. I don’t know that it will be sufficient [to cut interest rates]. I don’t know that it won’t. I think we’re gonna have to let the data lead us on that,” he told reporters.

Powell isn’t the only expert pushing back on the stagflation narrative. Ed Yardeni, a veteran Wall Street strategist who now runs Yardeni Research, told Fortune before Powell’s press conference Wednesday that the odds of U.S. stagflation are now 20% or less. A few weeks ago, when the conflict between Israel and Iran appeared to escalate, Yardeni feared that there was a small chance a second oil price shock (the first being the expansion of the Ukraine-Russia war in 2022) could lead to a stagflationary outcome for the economy.

After all, in the 1970s, multiple recessions plus two oil-price shocks sparking the so-called great inflation led to an era characterized by economic stagnation and high prices—giving birth to the term “stagflation.” Now, though, with tensions between oil-producing nations in the Middle East cooling, Yardeni said he is “clearly less worried about that.”

“We can’t even seem to get a 1970s scenario with a horrible situation in the Middle East. The price of oil is still remaining remarkably subdued—and that’s with Saudi Arabia, and Russia, involuntarily cutting back some of their production,” he noted.

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