• Home
  • Latest
  • Fortune 500
  • Finance
  • Tech
  • Leadership
  • Lifestyle
  • Rankings
  • Multimedia

Trendingnow

1

As Big Tech showers employees with perks to win the talent war, Nvidia built a nearly $5 trillion company by making people pay for their own lunch

2

MacKenzie Scott alone accounted for one-third of America's $19.2 billion in megagifts last year

3

Current price of oil as of July 1, 2026

1

As Big Tech showers employees with perks to win the talent war, Nvidia built a nearly $5 trillion company by making people pay for their own lunch

2

MacKenzie Scott alone accounted for one-third of America's $19.2 billion in megagifts last year

3

Current price of oil as of July 1, 2026
FinanceApple

Warren Buffett may have heeded this ‘sell’ signal on Apple stock: Market cap quadrupled, profits only doubled making Apple twice as expensive

Shawn Tully
By
Shawn Tully
Shawn Tully
Senior Editor-at-Large
Down Arrow Button Icon
Shawn Tully
By
Shawn Tully
Shawn Tully
Senior Editor-at-Large
Down Arrow Button Icon
August 13, 2024, 4:00 AM ET
Investors tempted by Apple's recent dip should beware.
Investors tempted by Apple's recent dip should beware.
Add Fortune on Google for similar content.

Remember 2016? Barack Obama was in the White House, Zika virus was the looming threat, “The Sound of Silence” by Disturbed raged on the rock charts, and Apple—yes that Apple—was a value stock.

Recommended Video

Indeed, none other than value-stock-loving Warren Buffett went on a buying spree starting in Q1 of 2016. By all the metrics that govern future returns, Apple ranked as an ideal investment during the entire period of Berkshire’s major purchases, which lasted to Q1 of 2018. Take the mid-point of that span, June of 2017. At the time, Apple, based on fundamentals, little resembled the current version sporting a super-premium price and attracting such fabulous forecasts on Wall Street. Instead, it had all the qualities of a great value stock. Its market cap stood at $750 billion, and it was en route to posting $47 billion in GAAP net earnings for FY 2017 (ended September 30).

That put its PE at a lowly, unloved 16. As it does today, Apple was returning virtually all of its profits to shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks. Stock returns have three components: Earnings growth, the total “yield” provided by dividends plus buybacks, and changes in the PE multiple. Because Apple’s price was so low relative to its earnings, it boasted a yield of 1.7%, and the repurchases provided an additional boost of 4.4% by giving the remaining shares a bigger portion of the earnings. So investors were getting 6.1% from those two sources combined, plus future growth in profits, just if the multiple stayed well below the market average.

Those numbers set an extremely low bar for achieving big returns. To reach 10%, Apple only had to grow net profits by 3.9%, since the dividend plus buyback combo were already contributing 6% plus, sans any increase in profits. Hitting that just under 4% bogey meant growing annual earnings by around $2 billion a year. Clinching that target looked like a light lift. Plus, any rise in that beaten-down PE would supply extra fuel.

For a few years, though, Apple’s profits remained stuck in the $50 billion range. Then, in the stay at home pandemic economy, sales of its laptops and other staple gear for remote work exploded. Starting in FY 2022, Apple was booking nearly $100 billion in annual profits, twice the number three years earlier.

The rub: Apple’s market cap ramped far faster than even the gigantic swing in earnings. By mid-June of this year, its valuation had swelled to $3.2 trillion, over four times the figure in mid-2017. Put simply, Apple’s profits doubled and its market cap quadrupled, taking its PE from a modest 16 to towering 32. The former deep value play had morphed into the model of a super-high priced tech racer.

Apple stock forecast

The surge in Apple’s price immensely reduced the power of its dividends and buybacks. Its yield has dropped from 1.7% in mid-2017 to a current, piddling 0.48%. Buybacks are now contributing an additional 3.1%, way down from the 4.4% when Buffett was loading up. Hence, the two combined provide a foundation of just 3.6%, less than two-thirds the old 6.1%. So just to provide 10% returns going forward, Apple must grow earnings by the difference of 6.4% (the 10% goal minus 3.6% from dividends plus buybacks). Of course, that formula assumes its PE stays at the current multiple exceeding 30.

How many billions does it take to raise profits 6.4% a year? The answer: $6.4 billion on top of today’s base of $100 billion. That’s over three times the bogey of $2 billion required in mid-2017. Here, Apple runs afoul of the law of large numbers. At current margins, it would need to raise sales by around $25 billion a year just to achieve that 10% return. What it would need to add annually equals 12% of Microsoft’s average total revenues over the past three years. From the close of from FY 2021 to FY 2023, Apple’s top line has grown by only $2.3 billion.

Put simply, Apple will face a tough climb to keep compounding profits at 6% a year on a Brobdingnagian starting base of $100 billion. But it faces a second problem: The likelihood that its PE won’t remain anywhere near the current level of 32.3. That’s number for turbo-charged grower, not a mature player like Apple.

9So let’s posit that Apple indeed expands earnings at our 6% requirement that, combined with dividends and buybacks, would deliver a 10% return, assuming no change in valuation. In that case, it would be generating $120.5 billion in net GAAP profits by FY 2027.

But say its PE falls to 20, which is still above the long-term average for the S&P 500. Buybacks would help by raising earnings-per-share around 10%. But that’s not enough. Even with the jump in profits and the repurchases, its shares would be selling at around $175, 17% below where they stand today.

Hence, Apple faces a pair of daunting challenges for rewarding investors. First, that it will be hard pressed growing profits fast enough from the $100 billion level, a number that’s doubled post-pandemic, to compensate for the now-low contribution from buybacks and dividends. The second, related issue: Only companies promising big profits growth sustain huge multiples, and at its current size, Apple looks more like a plodder than a sprinter.

About the Author
Shawn Tully
By Shawn TullySenior Editor-at-Large

Shawn Tully is a senior editor-at-large at Fortune, covering the biggest trends in business, aviation, politics, and leadership.

See full bioRight Arrow Button Icon
Add Fortune on Google for similar content.

Latest in Finance

Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025

Most Popular

Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Finance
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam
By Fortune Editors
October 20, 2025
Fortune Secondary Logo
Rankings
  • 100 Best Companies
  • Fortune 500
  • Global 500
  • Fortune 500 Europe
  • Most Powerful Women
  • World's Most Admired Companies
  • See All Rankings
  • Lists Calendar
Sections
  • Finance
  • Fortune Crypto
  • Features
  • Leadership
  • Health
  • Commentary
  • Success
  • Retail
  • Mpw
  • Tech
  • Lifestyle
  • CEO Initiative
  • Asia
  • Politics
  • Conferences
  • Europe
  • Newsletters
  • Personal Finance
  • Environment
  • Magazine
  • Education
Customer Support
  • Frequently Asked Questions
  • Customer Service Portal
  • Privacy Policy
  • Terms Of Use
  • Single Issues For Purchase
  • International Print
Commercial Services
  • Advertising
  • Fortune Brand Studio
  • Fortune Analytics
  • Fortune Conferences
  • Business Development
  • Group Subscriptions
About Us
  • About Us
  • Press Center
  • Work At Fortune
  • Terms And Conditions
  • Site Map
  • About Us
  • Press Center
  • Work At Fortune
  • Terms And Conditions
  • Site Map
  • Facebook icon
  • Twitter icon
  • LinkedIn icon
  • Instagram icon
  • Pinterest icon

Latest in Finance

s
Personal FinanceSports
The sports economy is unaffordable at the bar, let alone the stadium
By Catherina GioinoJuly 2, 2026
28 minutes ago
sb
North AmericaU.S. Department of the Treasury
Scott Bessent goes after the top Mexican cartel’s new billion-dollar business: gas stations
By Fatima Hussein and The Associated PressJuly 2, 2026
35 minutes ago
eggs
LawAntitrust
Egg companies made $1.22 billion in profit off a $6 carton — now they’re buying their way out of a price-fixing case with 53 million donated eggs
By Wyatte Grantham-Philips and The Associated PressJuly 2, 2026
1 hour ago
Vladimir Putin
EconomyRussia
Russia’s economy is ‘sputtering,’ and Putin’s wartime spending model has pushed the country to an ‘economic, political, and military abyss’
By Tristan BoveJuly 2, 2026
2 hours ago
t
North AmericaWhite House
‘It’s a very strong deal. Nobody knows what it is’: Trump completes transformation from Master of the Deal to Great Equivocator
By Will Weissert and The Associated PressJuly 2, 2026
2 hours ago
Securitize CEO Carlos Domingo looks to the far right during a conference.
CryptoBlockchain
Securitize is latest crypto company to go public as BlackRock-backed firm sees stock jump 3% on debut
By Camila Grigera NaónJuly 2, 2026
2 hours ago

Most Popular

As Big Tech showers employees with perks to win the talent war, Nvidia built a nearly $5 trillion company by making people pay for their own lunch
Big Tech
As Big Tech showers employees with perks to win the talent war, Nvidia built a nearly $5 trillion company by making people pay for their own lunch
By Marco Quiroz-GutierrezJuly 1, 2026
2 days ago
MacKenzie Scott alone accounted for one-third of America's $19.2 billion in megagifts last year
Success
MacKenzie Scott alone accounted for one-third of America's $19.2 billion in megagifts last year
By Sydney LakeJune 25, 2026
8 days ago
Current price of oil as of July 1, 2026
Personal Finance
Current price of oil as of July 1, 2026
By Joseph HostetlerJuly 1, 2026
1 day ago
Trump got a $78K pension from the Screen Actors Guild in 2025 because he appeared in Home Alone 2 in 1992
Politics
Trump got a $78K pension from the Screen Actors Guild in 2025 because he appeared in Home Alone 2 in 1992
By Sasha RogelbergJuly 1, 2026
1 day ago
CEO of $248 billion cybersecurity company says workers are about to face a ‘Darwinian moment’ thanks to AI: Evolve or get cut
Success
CEO of $248 billion cybersecurity company says workers are about to face a ‘Darwinian moment’ thanks to AI: Evolve or get cut
By Emma BurleighJuly 1, 2026
1 day ago
Philanthropy leader at Warren Buffett and Bill Gates’ Giving Pledge says children of billionaires are pushing them to give their wealth away faster
Success
Philanthropy leader at Warren Buffett and Bill Gates’ Giving Pledge says children of billionaires are pushing them to give their wealth away faster
By Preston ForeJune 27, 2026
5 days ago

© 2026 Fortune Media IP Limited. All Rights Reserved. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy | CA Notice at Collection and Privacy Notice | Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information
FORTUNE is a trademark of Fortune Media IP Limited, registered in the U.S. and other countries. FORTUNE may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Offers may be subject to change without notice.