In an interview with Rolling Stone editor Jann Wenner conducted the day after the presidential election earlier this month, Obama said, “Michelle will never run for office.”

He added, “She is as talented a person as I know. You can see the incredible resonance she has with the American people. But I joke that she’s too sensible to want to be in politics.”

Obama also said in the interview published online Tuesday that once he leaves office in January, he and his wife will “continue to be very active” on their belief that “when you work with people on the ground at a grassroots level, change happens.”